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medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture I'd need to check the references and haven't got them here, but there are a number of Welsh poems to (or mentioning) roods in different parts of Wales and it's just that the Llanbeblig one describes it as a Trinity. So, yes, it's clearly unusual, but that's not why the poem was written. In the Penrhys poem, 'ar' = 'on' and 'eu' = 'her' - but it's a poem by Gwilym Tew who is notoriously obscure so it may not mean anything. Maddy Dr Madeleine Gray Reader in History School of Education/Ysgol Addysg University of Wales, Newport/Prifysgol Cymru, Casnewydd Caerleon Campus/Campws Caerllion,Newport/Casnewydd NP18 3QT, Wales/Cymru Tel: +44 (0)1633.432675 'I ask you for help. And all you give me is ...papers!' (Magda in Gian Carlo Menotti's The Consul) History at University of Wales, Newport: http://timezone.newport.ac.uk <http://timezone.newport.ac.uk> Gwent County History Association website: http://gwent-county-history-association.newport.ac.uk <http://gwent-county-history-association.newport.ac.uk> Cistercian Way: http://cistercian-way.newport.ac.uk <http://cistercian-way.newport.ac.uk> From: medieval-religion - Scholarly discussions of medieval religious culture [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Jon Cannon Sent: 18 May 2010 09:44 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [M-R] statues over choir entrance medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture I'm curious about this Trinity. Why does it crop up in the poems? Do you think it's appearance in them is itself a sign that it was seen as being unusual? And with your other quote, does 'ar eu' imply anything location-wise, or is it rather vague, like 'to' or whatever. I seem to be generating weird switches of font, so I'll stop. Jon -- Mobile: 07768 234168 Web: http://joncannon.wordpress.com <http://joncannon.wordpress.com/> (blog and main website) http://joncannonschurches.wordpress.com <http://joncannonschurches.wordpress.com/> (subsidiary blog) ________________________________ Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 08:10:44 +0100 From: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [M-R] statues over choir entrance To: [log in to unmask] medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture As far as we can see from the poetic evidence the Llanbeblig Trinity was actually on the top beam of the rood screen. The Penrhys example is less clear but one of the poets describes the statue of the Virgin as receiving gold 'ar eu gwrhyd' and one of the meanings of gwrhyd is rood. I've seen several European examples of roods with other figures on either side of the central three in the rood beam - could that be what you are looking for, Meg? Maddy Dr Madeleine Gray Reader in History School of Education/Ysgol Addysg University of Wales, Newport/Prifysgol Cymru, Casnewydd Caerleon Campus/Campws Caerllion, Newport/Casnewydd NP18 3QT Tel: +44 (0)1633.432675 'We are not bound to win but we are bound to be true' (Barack Obama) ________________________________ From: medieval-religion - Scholarly discussions of medieval religious culture on behalf of Jon Cannon Sent: Tue 18/05/2010 6:27 AM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [M-R] statues over choir entrance medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture Presumably none of these are in the location of the rood itself? I can't imagine *that* ever happening -- but what goes on below the rood could vary in design, as Maddy says, and carry carvings of various kinds, including statuary. In many (most? all?) cases there was a nave altar in front of the screen, which would also attract fittings (perhaps statues?). And yes, it's hard to imagine a church too small to have a screen of some description. Not quite on-topic, but I always find the scale of the destruction of the rood itself in England astonshing - there must have been thousands of the things, yet not a single complete example survives. 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