In message <[log in to unmask]>, at 09:32:03 on Fri, 21 May 2010, "Bradshaw, Phillip" <[log in to unmask]> writes >"So exempting the public authorities from RIPA (the "R" is Regulation) >will take us back to the bad old days." > >Not necessarily. The legislation could e.g. be an outright ban on covert >surveillance by all but a few such as the police. That's a non-starter, because there is so much law that isn't enforced by the police in the first place. The example I used originally was the Egg Marketing Board, who managed to make a case for snooping on farmers stamping Lions on imported eggs. Once you lift the lid on the rather wide range of public authorities enforcing very real laws that protect us citizens, it's just a case of drawing the right line in the sand. (I think the Jockey Club, for example, were always "outside"). And the European Court of Human Rights has ruled that the UK's rules and safeguards on covert surveillance are proportionate (when normally they seem to rule that the Home Office has overstepped the mark). So what's the problem? -- Roland Perry ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ All archives of messages are stored permanently and are available to the world wide web community at large at http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/data-protection.html If you wish to leave this list please send the command leave data-protection to [log in to unmask] All user commands can be found at http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/help/commandref.htm Any queries about sending or receiving messages please send to the list owner [log in to unmask] Full help Desk - please email [log in to unmask] describing your needs To receive these emails in HTML format send the command: SET data-protection HTML to [log in to unmask] (all commands go to [log in to unmask] not the list please) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^