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In message <[log in to unmask]>, at 10:43:57 
on Thu, 20 May 2010, Ibrahim Hasan <[log in to unmask]> writes

>So now the ECHR has given the thumbs up to RIPA will the ConLib
>alliance continue to with its proposals to curb this "anti terror
>legislation?"

That proposition is based on a fundamental fallacy. Well two, actually.

First of all RIPA is not and never has been "anti-terror" legislation. 
It was passed well before 9/11, and while much of it is aimed at serious 
organised crime, the rest is to assist in preventing and detecting much 
lower level offences.

Secondly, the sorts of surveillance that the Daily Mail reader moans 
about (eg snooping on fly tippers and school catchment area fraudsters) 
was previously totally unregulated. Indeed, we only know that it's 
happening today *because* RIPA forces public authorities to make 
assessments of the need and keep proper records.

So exempting the public authorities from RIPA (the "R" is Regulation) 
will take us back to the bad old days.
-- 
Roland Perry

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