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I think that's a good idea, Jane. It will certainly get some sparks flying--always a good thing. Original Message: For an attempt at an entente cordiale between mainstream and alternative poetries, instead of being condemned to more years in those trenches mentioned by Andrea Brady, members of the BIP list could always try joining Poets on Fire (email me privately for log-in details) and seeing how well both sides rub along together. We've been having similar discussions there. From the other side of the fence. http://s11.invisionfree.com/Poets_On_Fire/index.php