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Dear Hui, Yes, me myself wouldn't describe them as abstract too. What I am trying to find is the shoots that looks like abstract painting at that films (and others) Alejandro Jodorowsky, in my point of view, is surrealist. And Barney - yes, his films is abstract, I'll think about the relation of his films with my research. Thanks a lot for the suggestion of Anger and Chesh New Wave, I totally forgot about Keslevskij! Tania * * Film-Philosophy After hitting 'reply' please always delete the text of the message you are replying to To leave, send the message: leave film-philosophy to: [log in to unmask] Or visit: http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/film-philosophy.html For technical help email: [log in to unmask], not the salon * Film-Philosophy online: http://www.film-philosophy.com Contact: [log in to unmask] **