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You're probably aware that Tomlinson, Bishop, and late Eliot are irrelevant to a great many American poets? The North American modernity that Tomlinson "really understood" wasn't the modernism of Williams, or Pound, both of whom have been and continue to be influential within and beyond the anglophone world, nor of Oppen or Niedecker and all their descendents. Maybe you could explain what you're referring to. Best, Mark At 05:51 PM 4/6/2010, you wrote: >i also think four quartets has more dimensions than >almost all (not all) subsequent english language >poetry, but why does the other one must be >"obviously" yeats? this sounds traditionalist >fascist. i much prefer charles tomlinson to yeats. he really understood north >american modernity, a more cosmopolitan, complex, >subtle modernity. >(obs: is he still alive?) >elizabeth bishop, in her best moments, has all >the characteristics of the most deep scope, only it's >not public, socialized, therefore socially problematic. >chris, i agree about the greek gods, only i think deep >care and attention to the body, and some post- >structuralist concerns can only be enriched by >some rigorous formalism à la eliot. >formalism is nothing more than attention to form, >but not any form, only a well structured form. >well, our bodies are well structured forms. >the problem is not formalism, but sectarian formalism, >wich refuses concepts from any other school, least >of all post-structuralism. >best ana > >----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Jones" <[log in to unmask]> >To: <[log in to unmask]> >Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2010 9:09 PM >Subject: Re: Bruce Andrews interview at The Argotist Online > > >>I was thinking about the use of this term also in a more literal sense >>of exegesis being theological interpretation. Not that this bad, of >>course. The historic relations between religion and art are quite >>curious and I often think I was privileged to be free to chose to be a >>non-believer as a child. >> >>marx writes the greek gods are greek art in his phd thesis. when the >>nomadic war machine entered delphi and saw the new gods in human form, >>laughed. gods are a human invention as is art. and a whole series of >>ideas seem to take off here. >> >> >>On Sun, 2010-04-04 at 11:40 -0600, Douglas Barbour wrote: >>>Does a(ny) reader's response have to be 'exegetical'? >>> >>>Ive often felt that what I want is a non exegetical response.... >> >>-- >>I have chronic fatigue syndrome so I may be delayed in my reply. Just to >>let you know, that's all. Chris Jones. >> >>Blog: http://abdevpoetics.blogspot.com/ > >Announcing The Whole Island: Six Decades of >Cuban Poetry (University of California Press). >http://go.ucpress.edu/WholeIsland > >"Not since the 1982 publication of Paul Auster's >Random House Book of Twentieth Century French >Poetry has a bilingual anthology so effectively >broadened the sense of poetic terrain outside >the United States and also created a superb >collection of foreign poems in English. There is >nothing else like it." John Palattella in The >Nation