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medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture The Magdalen College pontifical also states 'de sinistro angulo ab oriente . . . usque in dextrum angulum occidentalem . . . et a dextro angulo orientali . . . usque in sinistrum angulum occidentalem'. I did wonder about which corner was meant by sinister - left as one sees it facing east i.e. north, rather that 'stage left'? Thank you, Carlos, for the offer of your paper - would it be possible to send it as an attachment to my email address (below)? The diagram does assume a simple, rectangular building. The church I'm thinking of probably had a semi-circular apse in the twelfth century (this was replaced with a rectangular chancel in the 13th century). It has been suggested to me that there would not have been a ceremony at the institution of the priest, when he was presented to the parish by his patron in 1219. The church would, presumably, have been consecrated a hundred or so years earlier when it had been built - but it seems it is possible that the full ceremony would not have occurred then? Thank you everyone for all your help - I didn't realise what an interesting discussion I was initiating! Cate On 7 Apr 2010, at 00:25, John Briggs wrote: > medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and > culture > > Whether the 1961 Pontificale Romanum is unchanged from medieval > practice is, of course, the point at issue! There was no Roman > Pontifical until 1596 (and the Roman Curia exceeded the brief given > them by the Council of Trent -- to issue a new Breviary and Missal > -- by issuing the 1596 Pontificale and the 1614 Rituale.) But > William Durandus's 13th-century pontifical was hugely influential > and practically determined all subsequent one. But we are concerned > with earlier versions. The Carolingian Ordo translated by Repsher > seems to be the earliest, which is why it would be nice to nail down > precisely what it says. There seems to be general confusion: Bishop > Wordsworth quotes from the "Spotted Book" which starts both > alphabets from the east. I am looking at David de Bernham's > Pontifical (early 13th century) and it clearly states that the Greek > alphabet is inscribed from north-east to south-west [de sinistro > angulo ab oriente ... usque in dextrum angulum occidentalem] and the > Latin alphabet then from south-east to north-west [a dextro angulo > orientali ... usque in sinistrum angulum occidentalem]. The Liber > Pontificalis of Edmund Lacy says the same. > > John Briggs > > > On 06/04/2010 22:45, Stan Metheny wrote: >> medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and >> culture >> >> FWIW, the rubric in the 1961 _Pontificale Romanum_ [unchanged from >> medieval >> practice?] states: >> '. . . scribit . . . alphabetum graecum incipiens ab angulo inferiore >> sinistro, et alphabetum latinum incipiens ab angulo inferior >> dextero . . .' >> Assuming the main altar in the church is against the East wall, as >> the >> diagram in the _PR_ does, then the Greek letters go from north-west >> up to >> south-east, and the Latin from south-west up to north-east. >> >> Stan Metheny >> >> >>> Some years ago I publshed a paper on the church consecration rite. >>> If you >>> are interested, I can send you a copy of it. Besides, you can see a >>> >> diagram >> Cate Gunn [log in to unmask] ********************************************************************** To join the list, send the message: join medieval-religion YOUR NAME to: [log in to unmask] To send a message to the list, address it to: [log in to unmask] To leave the list, send the message: leave medieval-religion to: [log in to unmask] In order to report problems or to contact the list's owners, write to: [log in to unmask] For further information, visit our web site: http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/medieval-religion.html