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medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture Hi Maddy, As you may have gathered not a lot of 'plakken' have been saved, as a broken or damaged one immediately was thrown into the fire. I have seen a few, and they were very simple, hand carved instruments with very little or no decoration at all. In paintings and prints you sometimes see them with turned handles, which means that the flat part must have been fixed on this separately. I've seen one on the website of our national open air museum with a carved face on the plaque. See: http://www.openluchtmuseum.nl/pid/200/. This of course does not mean that there haven't been 'plakken' with whittled decoration; I can imagine that one used in a church school had a cross carved in it. Henk Van: medieval-religion - Scholarly discussions of medieval religious culture [mailto:[log in to unmask]] Namens Madeleine Gray Verzonden: zondag 25 april 2010 13:30 Aan: [log in to unmask] Onderwerp: Re: [M-R] unidentified liturgical object medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture How splendid! Were the Dutch examples also decorated? Maddy Dr Madeleine Gray Reader in History School of Education/Ysgol Addysg University of Wales, Newport/Prifysgol Cymru, Casnewydd Caerleon Campus/Campws Caerllion, Newport/Casnewydd NP18 3QT Tel: +44 (0)1633.432675 'We are not bound to win but we are bound to be true' (Barack Obama) _____ From: medieval-religion - Scholarly discussions of medieval religious culture on behalf of Henk Sent: Sun 25/04/2010 9:59 AM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [M-R] unidentified liturgical object medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture Hah, I had to laugh!!! Was there a school attached to this church? This instrument, namely, is what we in Nederland call a 'plak', in English a ferule or ferula. It's a punisher for lazy or dumb schoolchildren and used to beat the hand when somebody in the eyes of the teacher deserved to be chastised. When you look at 16th-17th c Dutch paintings of schoolscenes (Pieter Brueghel, Jan Steen, Adriaen van Ostade, Jan Luyken) you see it both in use or hanging next to or from the teacher's chair. Henk Van: medieval-religion - Scholarly discussions of medieval religious culture [mailto:[log in to unmask]] Namens Madeleine Gray Verzonden: zondag 25 april 2010 10:15 Aan: [log in to unmask] Onderwerp: Re: [M-R] unidentified liturgical object medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture I've now managed to upload some photos to my web pages - http://education.newport.ac.uk/displayPage.aspx?object_id=14514 <http://education.newport.ac.uk/displayPage.aspx?object_id=14514&parent_id=1 0883&type=PAG> &parent_id=10883&type=PAG (a bit clunky, and it may take a while to open. I can only upload Word pages at the moment: academics aren't to be trusted with anything complicated!) Maddy Dr Madeleine Gray Reader in History School of Education/Ysgol Addysg University of Wales, Newport/Prifysgol Cymru, Casnewydd Caerleon Campus/Campws Caerllion, Newport/Casnewydd NP18 3QT Tel: +44 (0)1633.432675 'We are not bound to win but we are bound to be true' (Barack Obama) _____ From: medieval-religion - Scholarly discussions of medieval religious culture on behalf of Terrill Heaps Sent: Sat 24/04/2010 4:14 AM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: [M-R] unidentified liturgical object medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture Possibly for the ceremonial shoveling of the earth on to the coffin at the commital, during the burial rite. ". . . we commit his body to the ground, ashes to ashes, dust to dust, etc." Terrill Heaps ********************************************************************** To join the list, send the message: join medieval-religion YOUR NAME to: [log in to unmask] To send a message to the list, address it to: [log in to unmask] To leave the list, send the message: leave medieval-religion to: [log in to unmask] In order to report problems or to contact the list's owners, write to: [log in to unmask] For further information, visit our web site: http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/medieval-religion.html ********************************************************************** To join the list, send the message: join medieval-religion YOUR NAME to: [log in to unmask] To send a message to the list, address it to: [log in to unmask] To leave the list, send the message: leave medieval-religion to: [log in to unmask] In order to report problems or to contact the list's owners, write to: [log in to unmask] For further information, visit our web site: http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/medieval-religion.html ********************************************************************** To join the list, send the message: join medieval-religion YOUR NAME to: [log in to unmask] To send a message to the list, address it to: [log in to unmask] To leave the list, send the message: leave medieval-religion to: [log in to unmask] In order to report problems or to contact the list's owners, write to: [log in to unmask] For further information, visit our web site: http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/medieval-religion.html ********************************************************************** To join the list, send the message: join medieval-religion YOUR NAME to: [log in to unmask] To send a message to the list, address it to: [log in to unmask] To leave the list, send the message: leave medieval-religion to: [log in to unmask] In order to report problems or to contact the list's owners, write to: [log in to unmask] For further information, visit our web site: http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/medieval-religion.html ********************************************************************** To join the list, send the message: join medieval-religion YOUR NAME to: [log in to unmask] To send a message to the list, address it to: [log in to unmask] To leave the list, send the message: leave medieval-religion to: [log in to unmask] In order to report problems or to contact the list's owners, write to: [log in to unmask] For further information, visit our web site: http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/medieval-religion.html