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"Who is this Brecht guy, anyway?" I needed to re-read that sentence twice to make sure that this was real. You definitely need to read more. Here is a WIKIPEDIA link to a basic introduction to Bertolt Brecht http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bertolt_Brecht Even undergraduate students of Film Studies know about Brecht properly, comprehen his theory correctly and know he didn't "blabber on about distance". (the "blabberd" sentence needed to be re-read as well, because of the missing "e") (I wonder if Marx can write properly or not if his followers are retards....) A scene of cowboy "yee ha"-ing only shows us what is happening in that scene in that paticular moment, which is a cowboy shouting "yee ha", nothing more. To investigate why do they shout, why do the artists want them to shout, what is the result after that shout etc, we need more source rather than a simple list of scenes. This is why Brecht thinks the picture of a factory only represents a factory, but nothing else. If Rhian Hinkley simply wants to collects scenes of cowboy yee ha-ing, like I said before, you can't get anything else better than Youtube, rather than posting a question here and asking for help. Finally, isn't collecting film scenes by viewing large amount of films part of the process of our individual research anyway? From: bill harris Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 10:25 PM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: the cowboy request We might safely assume that Warren is far more the rationalist than the empiricist. And who is this Brecht guy, anyway? 'Only other guy I knew of with this name worked for STASI and blabberd on about 'distance' when informed that he was unable to create real, live theatrical characters. Anyway, no, my point is that art is always best when organized on the lowest possible 'rhetorical structure', thereby demonstrating and suggesting rather than telling. This is because art is about jangling up sensations. So if you want to be told something with a intense degree of 'rhetorical structure', might I suggest QM? Real Philosophers (ie those who accept Kola's arguments that Marx is for retards) would immediately recognize my brand of crude bourgeois empiricism as an analogue to Ockham's razor. In other words, I believe that most normal, thinking members of homo sapiens of American filmic background would, when faced with such a collage, get the picture. OTH, the genetically challenged would rely on Marxism. BH > Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2010 21:55:31 +0100 > From: [log in to unmask] > Subject: Re: the cowboy request > To: [log in to unmask] > > There is a huge gap between Bill’s laudable aim (to study how cowboy > culture may be carried over into the real world, to see how it might be > satirized in various ways, as in Dr. Strangelove) and the simple listing > of cowboy shouts in movies. > > My objection is, firstly, simply creating a list in itself (with no larger > aim or purpose) has little value. A list is a low level rhetorical > structure that does not go very far in organizing information and > revealing meanings, patterns etc. in it. > > Secondly, listing fragments of an action does not lead to greater > understanding. We can usefully draw upon Brecht’s famous comment that a > photo of the Krupp factory tells us nothing about that factory (its > working conditions, labour relations, etc.). > > Similarly, an email simply listing Dr. Strangelove and Red River, for > example, with no attempt at critical reflection, tells us nothing about > how cowboy culture may be carried over into the real world, or how it > might be satirized. > > Warren Buckland > > * > * > Film-Philosophy salon > After hitting 'reply' please always delete the text of the message you are replying to > To leave, send the message: leave film-philosophy to: [log in to unmask] > Or visit: http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/film-philosophy.html > For technical help email: [log in to unmask], not the salon > * > Film-Philosophy online: http://www.film-philosophy.com > Contact: [log in to unmask] > ** * * Film-Philosophy Email Discussion Salon After hitting 'reply' please always delete the text of the message you are replying to To leave, send the message: leave film-philosophy to: [log in to unmask] Or visit: http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/film-philosophy.html For technical help email: [log in to unmask], not the salon * Film-Philosophy online: http://www.film-philosophy.com Contact: [log in to unmask] ** * * Film-Philosophy salon After hitting 'reply' please always delete the text of the message you are replying to To leave, send the message: leave film-philosophy to: [log in to unmask] Or visit: http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/film-philosophy.html For technical help email: [log in to unmask], not the salon * Film-Philosophy online: http://www.film-philosophy.com Contact: [log in to unmask] **