My point is, it doesn't matter what convinces anyone but the Commissioner and the Tribunal. I suspect that the Tribunal isn't going to be interested in assumptions, so why should the Commissioner spend time on complaints made on assumptions? A complaint which isn't really viable is a waste of time - should public money be spent fending off complaints that can't really be used for anything constructive? Many of us will respond positively to advice and assistance from the IC, but some won't - and the persistant phone marketer probably won't care unless he is made to. If the IC is going to spend time on the people for whom advice won't work, he'll have to enforce, and complaints that are no good as enforcement material might well be a waste of time. Of course, there's nothing the IC can do about a timeshare man in Florida, so it doesn't really matter what he's selling. Tim Turner -----Original Message----- From: This list is for those interested in Data Protection issues [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Roland Perry Sent: 07 April 2010 09:29 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [data-protection] When is a sales cold call not a sales cold call?[Scanned] In message <[log in to unmask] . uk>, at 11:59:47 on Tue, 6 Apr 2010, Tim Turner <[log in to unmask]> writes >CLI identifies the caller but gives no evidence of what the purpose of >the call is. You have to make the assumption that the man in Florida is about to sell you a timeshare, rather than enquire about the weather. But as that's been correct 100% of the times so far, you'd have a hard time convincing me of "reasonable doubt". R. >-----Original Message----- >From: This list is for those interested in Data Protection issues >[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Roland Perry >Sent: 06 April 2010 11:47 >To: [log in to unmask] >Subject: Re: [data-protection] When is a sales cold call not a sales >cold call?[Scanned] > >In message <893AC34371165B49B2AC86EC7B6D54FF0F3ADD22@exchange2>, at >09:09:41 on Tue, 6 Apr 2010, "Scourfield, Brenda" ><[log in to unmask]> writes >>If the phone rings and you pick it up and put it down before anyone >>says anything, how do you know it was a marketing call. In fact how do >>you know who it was at all > >CLI ! -- Roland Perry ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ All archives of messages are stored permanently and are available to the world wide web community at large at http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/data-protection.html If you wish to leave this list please send the command leave data-protection to [log in to unmask] All user commands can be found at http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/help/commandref.htm Any queries about sending or receiving messages please send to the list owner [log in to unmask] Full help Desk - please email [log in to unmask] describing your needs To receive these emails in HTML format send the command: SET data-protection HTML to [log in to unmask] (all commands go to [log in to unmask] not the list please) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Any requests under the Freedom of Information Act should be directed to [log in to unmask] Please notify the sender immediately if this email appears to have been sent to you by mistake; Respect the confidentiality of any information you receive from us; Remember that emails sent or received by our staff may be disclosed under the Freedom of Information Act; Let us know straight away if you suspect this email is infected with a virus by ringing 0161 7654700 [if outside the UK +44 161 7654700]. (We take all possible steps to ensure that our systems are virus-free but no system is completely secure.) Please note that the contents of incoming and outgoing emails are automatically scanned for inappropriate content. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ All archives of messages are stored permanently and are available to the world wide web community at large at http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/data-protection.html If you wish to leave this list please send the command leave data-protection to [log in to unmask] All user commands can be found at http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/help/commandref.htm Any queries about sending or receiving messages please send to the list owner [log in to unmask] Full help Desk - please email [log in to unmask] describing your needs To receive these emails in HTML format send the command: SET data-protection HTML to [log in to unmask] (all commands go to [log in to unmask] not the list please) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^