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I would agree that intelligence and occult communities overlap both now and historically (John Dee, Giordano Bruno, etc.) a case in point is a colleague John Petersen who runs the Pentagon think tank the Arlington Institute. http://www.arlingtoninstitute.org/ Along with their less occult work on researching global wild card events, they've been preparing studies and papers on "2012" for some time now, as well as creating a global dream depository for psychics to search for premonitions, here's a report they released from such a study ahead of the global financial meltdown: http://www.arlingtoninstitute.org/files/Dream%20Report.pdf Nothing gets passed these folks, not even a volcanic eruption that disrupts global transportation in time for Mercury going into retrograde - just kidding on that one, far as I know. James On 4/19/10 2:30 PM, "Khem Caigan" <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > Pitch doth schreibble : >> >> 3.) All in all, I don't think that magic and occult studies draw >> state security attentions in themselves. > > That hasn't been my experience here in the U.S., > and it isn't corroborated by even a cursory glance > at history < and I have provided several links > to key historic documents here on the ASM-list >. > > The Magical and Intelligence communities have > /always/ overlapped. > > Cors in Manu Domine, > > > ~ Khem Caigan > <[log in to unmask]> > > "Heat and Moisture are Active to Generation; > Cold and Dryness are Passive, in and to each Thing; > Fire and Air, Active by Elementation; > Water and Earth, Passive to Generation." > > *Of the Division of Chaos* > -Dr. Simon Forman