Hang Douglas we are not citizens here in the ole Albion we are subjects!!(subjected to poetry hahaha) Says Patrick waking up from doze -----Original Message----- From: Poetryetc: poetry and poetics [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Douglas Barbour Sent: 16 March 2010 16:00 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: 25 questions: question # 2... Well, our provincial government likes 'stakeholders' (aargh!). 'citizen' is a dangerous term; it actually suggests the people are there to be paid attention to, & 'we' cant have that! I have never felt like a 'consumer' of art.... Doug On 15-Mar-10, at 4:22 PM, Max Richards wrote: > - well said, David. > > I had the same experience attending my once in a lifetime, I hope, > focus group. > The local municipality wanted to find out about its constituents. > We were referred to as consumers. > Ratepayers is even a more honest term. > I suggested citizens might be a decent name for us. > But I think the word was felt to be antique. > > Max > > Quoting David Bircumshaw <[log in to unmask]>: > >> Please people, whatever atrocities you want to commit, but can you >> please >> not refer to 'consumers' or 'the consumer' of poetry. I know you >> can't help >> it, coming from a totalitarian capitalist hell-hole like the USA, >> but there >> are limits. >> >> It is an offence against taste, not merely ideology. >> >> >> -- >> David Bircumshaw >> "A window./Big enough to hold screams/ >> You say are poems" - DMeltzer >> Website and A Chide's Alphabet >> http://www.staplednapkin.org.uk >> The Animal Subsides http://www.arrowheadpress.co.uk/books/animal.html >> Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/david.bircumshaw >> twitter: http://twitter.com/bucketshave >> blog: http://groggydays.blogspot.com/ >> > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > This email was sent from Netspace Webmail: http://www.netspace.net.au > Douglas Barbour [log in to unmask] http://www.ualberta.ca/~dbarbour/ Latest books: Continuations (with Sheila E Murphy) http://www.uap.ualberta.ca/UAP.asp?LID=41&bookID=664 Wednesdays' http://abovegroundpress.blogspot.com/2008/03/new-from-aboveground-press_10.h tml The secret which got lost neither hides nor reveals itself, it shows forth tokens. Charles Olson No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.436 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2749 - Release Date: 03/15/10 19:33:00