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By subject is meant object, of course. At 02:00 PM 3/16/2010, you wrote: >Hang Douglas we are not citizens here in the ole Albion we are >subjects!!(subjected to poetry hahaha) >Says Patrick waking up from doze > >-----Original Message----- >From: Poetryetc: poetry and poetics [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On >Behalf Of Douglas Barbour >Sent: 16 March 2010 16:00 >To: [log in to unmask] >Subject: Re: 25 questions: question # 2... > >Well, our provincial government likes 'stakeholders' (aargh!). >'citizen' is a dangerous term; it actually suggests the people are >there to be paid attention to, & 'we' cant have that! > >I have never felt like a 'consumer' of art.... > >Doug >On 15-Mar-10, at 4:22 PM, Max Richards wrote: > > > - well said, David. > > > > I had the same experience attending my once in a lifetime, I hope, > > focus group. > > The local municipality wanted to find out about its constituents. > > We were referred to as consumers. > > Ratepayers is even a more honest term. > > I suggested citizens might be a decent name for us. > > But I think the word was felt to be antique. > > > > Max > > > > Quoting David Bircumshaw <[log in to unmask]>: > > > >> Please people, whatever atrocities you want to commit, but can you > >> please > >> not refer to 'consumers' or 'the consumer' of poetry. I know you > >> can't help > >> it, coming from a totalitarian capitalist hell-hole like the USA, > >> but there > >> are limits. > >> > >> It is an offence against taste, not merely ideology. > >> > >> > >> -- > >> David Bircumshaw > >> "A window./Big enough to hold screams/ > >> You say are poems" - DMeltzer > >> Website and A Chide's Alphabet > >> http://www.staplednapkin.org.uk > >> The Animal Subsides http://www.arrowheadpress.co.uk/books/animal.html > >> Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/david.bircumshaw > >> twitter: http://twitter.com/bucketshave > >> blog: http://groggydays.blogspot.com/ > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > > This email was sent from Netspace Webmail: http://www.netspace.net.au > > > >Douglas Barbour >[log in to unmask] > >http://www.ualberta.ca/~dbarbour/ > >Latest books: >Continuations (with Sheila E Murphy) >http://www.uap.ualberta.ca/UAP.asp?LID=41&bookID=664 >Wednesdays' >http://abovegroundpress.blogspot.com/2008/03/new-from-aboveground-press_10.h >tml > > The secret > >which got lost neither hides >nor reveals itself, it shows forth > >tokens. > > Charles Olson >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >Version: 8.5.436 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2749 - Release Date: 03/15/10 >19:33:00 Announcing The Whole Island: Six Decades of Cuban Poetry (University of California Press). http://go.ucpress.edu/WholeIsland "Not since the 1982 publication of Paul Auster's Random House Book of Twentieth Century French Poetry has a bilingual anthology so effectively broadened the sense of poetic terrain outside the United States and also created a superb collection of foreign poems in English. There is nothing else like it." John Palattella in The Nation