That's fascinating, Jennifer.
I've never come across the collocation myself, and would be glad of any further
references (I'm away from my EPNS volumes at the moment, so can't check). The OS
Gazetteer doesn't list any others, though. The Herefords name isn't recorded
until the sixteenth century, as far as I know:
One argument against a derivation
from 'Mary' is the total absence of possessive -s, except in the two forms which are
probably a late assimilation to the saint's name. If there were other examples,
one would have to think again, of course. Could the American example
be just a coincidence? Or could the American missionaries have had
some connection with the Herefords place, which is on the Herefords/Shropshire
border not far to the SW of Ludlow (SO
4873)?
John Freeman
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I've wondered how frequent the form "Mary('s) Knoll" and
similar is - I
first knew it in Hong Kong from a school run by the Maryknoll
Sisters: a
few facts from two sources on
Google:
MARYKNOLL
headquarters of the Catholic Foreign Mission
Society of America, near
Ossining, N.Y. The community was established in 1911
and sent out its first
missionaries in 1918.
By 1921, the community
consisted of 20 priests, a dozen brothers, and about
65 seminary students.
The facilities were four wooden farm buildings,
situated on a hill named
"Mary's Knoll".
But whether the hill was called this before - or whether
it seemed a
suitable place to found such a community - isn't
clear.
I'm sure I've seen other examples in EPNS volumes
etc.
Jennifer Scherr
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Mary Knoll in Burrington, Herefords, which may well go back to OE gemære
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'boundary', or its ME equivalent, appears as St. Marys Knoll in 1754 and
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1835. It might be worth examining other 'St Mary' names for this
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possibility.
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> John
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> Subject: [EPNL] All
Saints?
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> Dear All,
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>
> A friend of
mine is collecting spurious saints – the sort noted by John
> Field in
Field-Names where (pp240–1) he observes that St. Anne's
> Heath at Egham
was previously Sunderne Heath, and St. Edith's Marsh at
> Bromham was
Editheleghe 1374 after the queen of that name, while the
> field-names St.
John at Stanton St. John and St. John's Field at
> Walkern both derive
from singett, 'burnt place'.
>
> A search through EPNS volumes adds
spurious dedications to St. Swithin at
> Ilford, St. Mary at Stow Marys,
and St. Botolph at Colchester (Essex
> p101, 228–9, 377); St. Aldate at
Oxford (Oxon. 1 p43); St. Helen at
> Elstow (Beds/ Hunts pp70–1); St.
Rumbold at Chichester and St. Anthony
> at Eastbourne (Sussex 1 p13, 2
p433); and St. Nicholas at Shoreditch
> (Midd. p217).
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> I
must have missed lots. Can anyone volunteer other
examples?
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> Jeremy Harte
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