Jake Stratton-Kent doth schreibble : > Also, given the quantity of etymological citations you provided, the > weight of the opposing view should commend itself to you. ;) Ah, but having cut my teeth on the likes of Godfrey Higgins, Gerald Massey and < shudder > Laurence Waddell, I am not certain that mere etymology possesses any sort of /academic/ weight at all - it seems more in the way of a ludibrium, or rhetorical jugglery ( and doesn't Plato refer to Socrates as a /goes/ somewhere or other?). By-the-way, for a treatment of the idea of the sky as the /otherworld/ in relatively recent times, see : Alastair Fowler ~ *Time's Purpled Masquers : Stars* *and the Afterlife in Renaissance English Literature* (Preview @GoogleBooks) http://tinyurl.com/yz5nay9 Cors in Manu Domine, ~ Khem Caigan <[log in to unmask]> " Heat and Moisture are Active to Generation; Cold and Dryness are Passive, in and to each Thing; Fire and Air, Active by Elementation; Water and Earth, Passive to Generation. " ~ Simon Forman, *Of the Division of Chaos*