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ah but process is all, so pronouns don't apply. That's slightly whimsical, but could one say that post-modern simply means contemporary industrial systems as applied to arts. No need for imagination there, for all the rhetoric of innovation (in social reality, innovative tends to mean ways to cut costs and services, while maintaining income for owners and managers). On 2 February 2010 08:47, Chris Jones <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > On Tue, 2010-02-02 at 08:38 +0000, David Bircumshaw wrote: > > > > Outlawed by whom > > they outlaw it, I tell you they are out there and they outlaw it, > believe me... > -- David Bircumshaw "A window./Big enough to hold screams/ You say are poems" - DMeltzer Website and A Chide's Alphabet http://www.staplednapkin.org.uk The Animal Subsides http://www.arrowheadpress.co.uk/books/animal.html Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/david.bircumshaw twitter: http://twitter.com/bucketshave blog: http://groggydays.blogspot.com/