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Apologies for not making my question clearer, even though it has raised a subject for discussion. The employee I am referring to is not acutually a counsellor but works within the counselling service, therfore I have suggested that it is not appropriate for this person to be seen by their colleagues, and in this situation would it be expected for the employer to provide external counselling? Sorry for any confusion........first day back from holiday !!! Sarah -----Original Message----- From: [log in to unmask] [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Naylor, Sharon [HMPS] Sent: 01 February 2010 13:42 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [OCC-HEALTH] Counselling for Counsellors I have been in OH for years and in all that time only one employer has ever raised the question of this type of supervisison. A couple of years ago a senior manager here at HMPS spent about an hour with a traumatised prison officer to discuss the way forward. He came to me and said that he was "blown away" by the emotional intensity of the meeting and couldnt believe that I did that kind of thing all day with no recourse to any kind of psychological support and said if I ever needed anything he would support it. Question - many of us deal with mental health issues, have done CBT skills for OH practitioners, may have counselling qualifications tec. Should we be looking at this as a professional body? Do CPNs RMNs have this kind of support? Within my organisation all psychologists, drug workers, offending behaviour tutors, sex offender treatment programmes facilitataors etc all get supervision - unless i source it myself (which I do) I would get nowt but am often on the sharp end. What about OHA`s within Fire and rescue/Police? -----Original Message----- From: [log in to unmask] [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Stephanie McGauley Sent: 01 February 2010 13:29 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [OCC-HEALTH] Counselling for Counsellors Hi Sarah I agree with Sharon with respects to this that is the employers duty to ensure supervision fulfils the role of debriefing and support dependent on the issue if it relates to their practice and not something entirely different and unrelated. Interestingly Sharon raised this with respects to OHAs and I agree mentoring supports this to an extent. Having worked in the past in an NICU support was difficult to access in this acute area and it is often expected that nurses in general "detach" which as you all know isnt true. I have tried to look at research with regards to this and relationships with PTSD and nurses exposure to trauma and there is very little available though I am sure in my opinion would not be small in numbers Best wishes Steph On 1 Feb 2010, at 11:43, Naylor, Sharon [HMPS] wrote: > Dont all counsellors have to have supervision? IE mandatory > sessions with a more senior practitioner to assist them with > dealing with others emotional/psychological problems (that said I > think OHA`s need this too but I wont be holding my breath waiting > for it) > > Would have thought that if an employer employs a counsellor then > they should also ensure adequate supervision as per guidelines > > From: [log in to unmask] [mailto:[log in to unmask]] > On Behalf Of Sarah Flower > Sent: 01 February 2010 11:13 > To: [log in to unmask] > Subject: [OCC-HEALTH] Counselling for Counsellors > Sensitivity: Confidential > > Dear List > > What should an employer do when a member of their counselling > service requires counselling themselves? I have suggested that an > external service should be provided and paid for by the employer, > but would welcome any other opinions? > > Many thanks > > Sarah > > Sarah Flower > Occupational Health Adviser > University of East Anglia > Norwich > NR4 7TJ > Tel: 01603 592174 > > > > This email was received from the INTERNET and scanned by the > Government Secure Intranet anti-virus service supplied by > Cable&Wireless in partnership with MessageLabs. (CCTM Certificate > Number 2009/09/0052.) 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