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It's very heartening to see this statement of solidarity, and I only wish it had been more widely circulated. Even if, as Giles said, for the grandees of the press it might have had little significance, for the purposes of the anthology and its readers Prynne's absence was a resounding one. The rhetoric doesn't seem to me so much Churchillian as scrupulously considered - in both passages that Peter quotes. It would be good to see the whole letter. Jamie ________________________________ From: Peter Riley <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Sent: Tuesday, 2 February, 2010 9:53:01 Subject: Re: Provocative Amazon customer review of Keith Tuma's Anthology of Twentieth-Century British and Irish Poetry JHP circulated a letter to a senior editor at OUP (NY) at the time, explaining his reasons for not wishing to be in the anthology. He spoke first of his dislike of educational anthologies as such, "because of the enrollment of a poet's work into a teaching apparatus" [i.e., a programmed presentation] which "must interfere with a vital aspect of personally free reading and discovery...." He went on: "But overriding each and every such consideration in this case is the aspect that this book is to be published by Oxford University Press. I know very well that the American branch of this imprint is virtually an independent operation, but it carries and trades under an illustrious name. That name must now in the field of contemporary British poetry and its publication by considered infamous.".... PR On 2 Feb 2010, at 09:26, GILES GOODLAND wrote: I very much doubt that can be true. I have been in meetings with senior OUP staff who have never even heard of Bloodaxe or Carcanet. Whether Prynne appeared in an anthology or not, would not appear on their radar--a fact which I am sure Prynne would foresee. ________________________________ From: John Goodby <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Sent: Tuesday, 2 February, 2010 9:19:56 Subject: Re: Provocative Amazon customer review of Keith Tuma's Anthology of Twentieth-Century British and Irish Poetry Wasn't Jeremy Prynne's refusal to be included something to do with the fact that Oxford UP, the publishers of the anthology, had recently abolished their poetry list en bloc? I was under the impression that it was a protest against their act of vandalism. All best, JOhn ---- Geraldine Monk <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > In any case this is a very old review written almost as soon as the book was out. I wonder David (hello) if you are misreading 2001 for 2010? > G. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: cris cheek > To: [log in to unmask] > Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 10:40 PM > Subject: Re: Provocative Amazon customer review of Keith Tuma's Anthology of Twentieth-Century British and Irish Poetry > > > In fact there's a mention of it at the end of Tuma's intro to the Anthology itself. > > > xx > > > > > cris > > > > > > > > > On Feb 1, 2010, at 4:06 PM, David Bircumshaw wrote: > > > Yes, Cris, that's it ... > > > On 1 February 2010 20:03, cris cheek <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > > Hi David, > > > that is my understanding of what happened too. In fact i remember being told that there had been extensive correspondence trying to persuade Jeremy to have his work represented but that Jeremy had said (at that time) that he was tired of anthologies . . . or something along those lines. > > > > > xxx > > > cris > > > > > > > > > On Feb 1, 2010, at 2:54 PM, David Bircumshaw wrote: > > > I might be wrong on this, but I vaguely recall Keith Tuma (then on this list) saying that Prynne declined an invitation for inclusion. > > > On 1 February 2010 14:26, David Lace <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > > Provocative Amazon customer review of Keith Tuma's Anthology of > Twentieth-Century British and Irish Poetry (Paperback) > > > Quote: > > "This isn't "critical pluralism". It's an attempt to canonize a postmodern > clique by juxtaposing their work with the likes of Seamus Heaney. > > Moreover, it isn't even a believeable anthology from a postmodern > standpoint. Where's J. H. Prynne? 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