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Dear Maria,
 
That is indeed a lovely video!!
 
I am copying this to some of my inclusional friends, and an educational research group whose work it relates to in diverse ways, so they can check it out.
 
Warmest
 
Alan
 
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From: [log in to unmask] href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">Maria Ana Botelho Neves
To: [log in to unmask] href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">'Alan Rayner (BU)' ; [log in to unmask] href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">'Mohamed Yunus Yasin'
Cc: [log in to unmask] href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">'Alan Rayner'
Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2010 6:18 PM
Subject: RE: Imaginative Turn

You might have seen this TED talk – after Sir Ken Robinson this is at the moment my favourite: http://www.ted.com/talks/lang/eng/chimamanda_adichie_the_danger_of_a_single_story.html

(and now Jill Boyle’s – what a revelation!)

Will now explore your site.

 

All the best

M

 


From: Alan Rayner (BU) [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: 09 January 2010 16:26
To: [log in to unmask]; 'Mohamed Yunus Yasin'
Cc: 'Alan Rayner'
Subject: Re: Imaginative Turn

 

Dear Maria,

 

Very glad to receive your appreciative comment!

 

And I think we can understand, if not have complete (definitive) knowledge of what we energetically include and what includes us. That understanding is what I would call 'wisdom', which Heraclitus spoke of as 'the understanding of how all is steered through all', but which sadly seems to escape the consideration of many rationalistic thinkers (including many 'friends of wisdom').  

 

The question 'does it matter' is addressed at www.inclusionality.org. My answer is YES!! Desperately!

 

 

Warmest

 

Alan

 

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Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2010 4:08 PM

Subject: RE: Imaginative Turn

 

Brilliant thoughts and very enlightening! Thanks to both of you for sharing.

 

I particularly like vision offered by Alan: A live fish attunes dynamically with the flow and vitally contributes to the flow

And couldn’t agree more with the perspective that splitting elements / de-construction (even if for the sake of understanding) limit and diminish our ability to se/feel/be and understand what the ‘what’ is.

I found this quite challenging when I researched about research (for my MA’s dissertation) and was confronted with the perspective of ‘observer is part, and therefore changes, the object of observation’ .

 

Will we ever understand anything?

- we change the dynamics of being because we look at them

- we miss layers of the ‘onion of understanding’ – and therefore we try to deconstruct the onion

- trapped with words that have limited the concepts encapsulated – we make mental visions that have a flaw from language limitations

- we haven’t manage to be part of the fluid one – and still think opposites are splits vs, the oneness being ‘all’.

 

But maybe more important is … does it matter? Does it matter if we understand? Chi - life, the world and the universe - is far beyond us and it will make no difference if we understand or not… or not?

 

I think this is all very stimulating…

love

Maria Ana 

 


From: Alan Rayner (BU) [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: 09 January 2010 11:37
To: Mohamed Yunus Yasin; [log in to unmask]
Cc: 'Alan Rayner'
Subject: Re: Imaginative Turn

 

Dear Yunus,

 

Yes, I think it is important inclusionally to mix the philosophical traditions - none of them, not even Buddhism, has it all to my mind - most of them, including 'conventional' Buddhism, contain one kind of  unrealistic denial or another, whether it be denial of the transfigural (spatial) or denial of the figural (energetic) aspect of natural energy flow.

 

Correspondingly it is important to allow the awareness (via 'right-hemisphere perception') of the presence of 'no-thingness', not the 'absence of thingness' ('nothingness') to relax, NOT annihilate 'ego' ('left-hemisphere perception). Ego is not the problem. Nothingness is not the problem. Ego deprived of imaginative (transfigural) insight of no-thingness, or nothingness that seeks to annihilate thingness, is the problem.

 

As you imply, a fish that only passively goes with the flow is a dead fish. A live fish attunes dynamically with the flow and vitally contributes to the flow. This means that Love underlies a chi which is both positive and negative (responsive, reflective and receptive) through the fluidity of the included middle in infinite space.

 

The following video is a potent illustration of the need to combine figural and transfigural perception through each into the other, but Jill, its author, makes, to my mind, the common mistake of treating them as an either/or choice:

 

 

http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/jill_bolte_taylor_s_powerful_stroke_of_insight.html

 

Warmest

 

Alan

 

PS So what you say is to my mind very CLOSE to natural inclusionality, but not quite all the way there. The missing 'keyhole' lies in the awareness of the inseparable relationship between figural (energetic) and transfigural (spatial)

 

PPS Yes, it would be great to see you via Australia if the chance arises.

 

snipxxxxxxx