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Yes, quite a few of the moves are good old rhetorical figures, there're some people among the 'movers' whose writing I know and like, but the choice of examples seems dulled, and based on a who's who in a part of a poetry scene that, like all the others, thinks itself the centre of the universe. This usage 'moves', it has some curious tones, does it not? 2010/1/25 Catherine Daly <[log in to unmask]> > Right, there are exceptions, as I mentioned. Welish and Wright, too. > > Through I think Silliman relies on something akin to a move more than, > oh, Hejinian. > > Are these lines dull because of the moves, or are the poets dull? > Well, one thing is that most of these moves are about lines; some are > rhetorical figures, others aren't. And the examples of compound nonce > words aren't; they're just two words run together. > > And the example of illogical causation doesn't seem to be causation. > So does that make it illogical? > > Here's a longer sample from the "illogical causation" poet: > http://www.typomag.com/issue06/mark.html > > > -- > All best, > Catherine Daly > [log in to unmask] > -- David Bircumshaw "A window./Big enough to hold screams/ You say are poems" - DMeltzer Website and A Chide's Alphabet http://www.staplednapkin.org.uk The Animal Subsides http://www.arrowheadpress.co.uk/books/animal.html Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/david.bircumshaw twitter: http://twitter.com/bucketshave blog: http://groggydays.blogspot.com/