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medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture If papal approval was not necessary for consecration of bishops, what about creation of new bishoprics? I would expect it would be required in such cases. Meg -----Original Message----- From: medieval-religion - Scholarly discussions of medieval religious culture [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Christopher Crockett Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 9:31 AM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [M-R] vulgate and abbots as bishops medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture From: Herwig Weigl <[log in to unmask]> >>> From the late twelfth/early thirteenth century, all episcopal elections needed to be confirmed by the Apostolic See.... >> was this stricture in place before the reign of Innocent III? > not even after him well, Herwig, it is in place now, so we must assume that it came into being sometime after Innocent3 and before today, mustn't we? but, you are saying that Innocent wasn't responsible for its implementation? 1200 does seem to me to be a bit late, given the shear impracticality of enforcing such a stricture. even Boniface VIII might have had a hard time enforcing it, esp. in France. is it later than that? i do know that we start seeing Italian canons in the chapter of Chartres in the course of the 13th c., and always assumed that that was an indication of increasing Papal influence --though not quite the same thing as demanding (much less actually getting) that a bishop get an official OkeyDoaky from the Papa himself . c ********************************************************************** To join the list, send the message: join medieval-religion YOUR NAME to: [log in to unmask] To send a message to the list, address it to: [log in to unmask] To leave the list, send the message: leave medieval-religion to: [log in to unmask] In order to report problems or to contact the list's owners, write to: [log in to unmask] For further information, visit our web site: http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/medieval-religion.html ********************************************************************** To join the list, send the message: join medieval-religion YOUR NAME to: [log in to unmask] To send a message to the list, address it to: [log in to unmask] To leave the list, send the message: leave medieval-religion to: [log in to unmask] In order to report problems or to contact the list's owners, write to: [log in to unmask] For further information, visit our web site: http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/medieval-religion.html