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Hi Val, Try the RCHAMS version. This is a more Scottish version http://lmid1a.rcahms.gov.uk/rcahms/apps/f?p=210:1:3196872292988002 Phil Phil Carlisle Data Standards Supervisor English Heritage National Monuments Record Centre Kemble Drive Swindon SN2 2GZ +44 (0)1793 414824 http://thesaurus.english-heritage.org.uk/ The information contained within this e-mail is confidential and may be privileged. It is intended for the addressee only. If you have received the e-mail in error, please inform the sender and delete it from your system. The contents of this e-mail must not be disclosed to anyone else or copied without the sender's consent. Any views and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of English Heritage. English Heritage will not take any responsibility for the views of the author. P Please do not print this e-mail unless you really need to -----Original Message----- From: Issues related to Historic Environment Records [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Val Turner Sent: 14 January 2010 12:16 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Narrower Terms: Context But a lot of basic Scottish terms are not there at all - and the couple that are have explanations that we don't agree with and therefore still use our own "candidate" terms. Are there any plans to deal with this? I remember RCAHMS and ARIA devising a thesaurus about 20 years ago (well before good digital links) but I can't remember what came of it - and certainly it's not included within the HBSMR thesaurus. Maybe we who are (honorary) Scots should explore this? Val Val Turner Shetland Archaeologist Shetland Amenity Trust, Garthspool, Lerwick, Shetland, ZE1 0NY Tel: (01595) 694688 The Shetland Amenity Trust is a registered Scottish charity, No: SC017505 -----Original Message----- From: Issues related to Historic Environment Records [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Godden, Alex Sent: 14 January 2010 10:59 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Narrower Terms: Context I've always liked that there's scarabs and shabtis in the finds thesaurus. We don't get much Egyptian funerary archaeology in Hampshire tbh, so have never had a cause to use them. Maybe one day... :-) Cheers! Alex -----Original Message----- From: Issues related to Historic Environment Records [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Blake, Suzy (DSD) Sent: 14 January 2010 10:55 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Narrower Terms: Context Solar is there as a component type! -----Original Message----- From: Issues related to Historic Environment Records [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Kirkham, Andy (DSD) Sent: 14 January 2010 10:50 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Narrower Terms: Context Hi Chris Sounds like you've given up cairning. Try inside out and upside down just to be on the the sife sade. Cheers - Andrew -----Original Message----- From: Issues related to Historic Environment Records [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Chris Wardle Sent: 14 January 2010 10:38 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Narrower Terms: Context Hi Phil, Maybe we could more beyond the cairns (in Leicester there is very little cultivated land and what there is no upland, so there are no cairns of any description) and look at wider difficulties that affect the thesaurus. All too many of the terms reflect the interest of those who have submitted terms (even if those interests were merely transient). I've just come across some evidence that may indicate the location for the solar wing (great chamber, or whatever you care to call it) at Leicester Castle (We know where the Great Hall was, as the building still survives, having served as the Assizes and later the Crown Courts until the 1980s) what is does not survive is the wing that the Dukes of Lancaster used as their private residence. I just searched the thesaurus from top to bottom (and then bottom to top just to be sure) for a suitable term. Take it from me there are none! And yet the term 'MINKA', which refers to something that is specifically Japanese, is there. How can this be? Chris >>> "CARLISLE, Philip" <[log in to unmask]> 13/01/2010 15:33 >>> Hi Sylvina, Yes sorry, re-reading it, does look as if we're just letting you know rather than getting involved. With regards to CAIRN we think the sensible option is to remove it as a broader term of BURIAL CAIRN and CLEARANCE CAIRN and move it to MONUMENT <BY FORM>. BURIAL CAIRN would then float under FUNERARY SITE and CAIRN (in monument <by form>) and similarly CLEARANCE CAIRN would just float under AG and SUB. So CAIRN may have been solved (let us know if you think this solution works/doesn't work etc) but we still have to look at homographing the other terms. Any suggestions anyone? Phil Phil Carlisle Data Standards Supervisor English Heritage National Monuments Record Centre Kemble Drive Swindon SN2 2GZ +44 (0)1793 414824 http://thesaurus.english-heritage.org.uk/ The information contained within this e-mail is confidential and may be privileged. It is intended for the addressee only. If you have received the e-mail in error, please inform the sender and delete it from your system. The contents of this e-mail must not be disclosed to anyone else or copied without the sender's consent. Any views and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of English Heritage. English Heritage will not take any responsibility for the views of the author. P Please do not print this e-mail unless you really need to -----Original Message----- From: Issues related to Historic Environment Records [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Sylvina Tilbury Sent: 13 January 2010 15:20 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Narrower Terms: Context Hello Phil To be fair, your email wasn't really presented as a possible option but as the solution, but I'm glad that you're open to discussion on this one. As an HBSMR user, I for one am all too aware of the background to this as the Cairn problem has been a real bugbear of mine. Looking at the Monument <By Form> class, it seems to have been used in a similar way before so I wouldn't have any objection to that solution. Surely though you would not then need to break it down into Cairn (Agricultural) and Cairn (Ritual) etc. , so your broad term could just be Cairn? There are several other types of cairn in the thesaurus - presumably these would all be assigned as narrow terms under the proposed broad term under Monument <By Form>? Sylvina Sylvina Tilbury | HER Officer | Planning & Development Service | Highland Council Glenurquhart Road, Inverness, IV3 5NX | T: 01463 702503 | F: 01463 702298 Highland HER: http://her.highland.gov.uk<http://her.highland.gov.uk/> -----Original Message----- From: Issues related to Historic Environment Records [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of CARLISLE, Philip Sent: 13 January 2010 14:55 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Narrower Terms: Context Dear all, I though it might be useful to provide some context behind the proposed changes to the terms I posted this morning. The Data Standards Unit is undertaking this work at the behest of a large proportion of the HER community. Crispin Flower on behalf of the HBMSMR users group sent me the following back in September. Hi Phil The problem with the thesaurus narrow terms keeps cropping up, with HBSMR users getting unexpected/incorrect results to searches. For example, we have recently had Staffordshire having trouble searching for BRIDGE and its narrow terms, because the various instances of BRIDGE have different narrow terms. They are using the latest v10 thesaurus release. When we last discussed this in April 2008, we provided a list of the worst offending terms (see below), and you were going to see if and when fixing this could be scheduled into the DSU work programme - has there been any progress here? If this is not going to happen within a useful timescale, we'll together need to look into other ways of resolving this, i.e. to make changes in HBSMR to how the searching works (which could be resourced either by the users' "Development Reserve" or by EH). Best wishes Crispin Unlike the EH software which returns all instances of a term and its narrow terms (so a search on CAIRN would also bring back CLEARANCE CAIRN as well as BURIAL CAIRN) the exeGesIS software searches on the instance (ie. position in the hierarchy) and its narrower terms which may differ, thus returning "unexpected/incorrect" results. To solve this problem Crispin supplied us with a copy of a spreadsheet with the 'problematic' terms in and for the most part these were easy enough to fix as there was no problem with the hierarchical positions. Only the 12 terms which I sent earlier need further work. What the solutions for those terms are is for us as a community to decide. All we (DSU) are trying to do is to provide a quick fix for a large proportion of the community. What I sent out this morning was an EXAMPLE of one approach and, as I replied to Andrew Nicholson off list, we may end up having a catch all term like CAIRN (MONUMENT) under MONUMENT <BY FORM> to solve the problems where the interpretation is uncertain (and no, Chris building uncertainty into the thesaurus is not an option!). So by all means discuss the problem terms but don't shoot the messenger. Phil Phil Carlisle Data Standards Supervisor English Heritage National Monuments Record Centre Kemble Drive Swindon SN2 2GZ +44 (0)1793 414824 http://thesaurus.english-heritage.org.uk/ The information contained within this e-mail is confidential and may be privileged. It is intended for the addressee only. If you have received the e-mail in error, please inform the sender and delete it from your system. The contents of this e-mail must not be disclosed to anyone else or copied without the sender's consent. 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