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Dear Crispin et al, Many thanks for your comments; as Crispin has mentioned out the Event Types thesaurus is supposed to complement the Midas Heritage 'Investigative Activity' & 'Research and Analysis' groups. Regarding the inclusion in the thesaurus of terms such as 'Environmental Impact Assessment', 'Desk Based Assessment' and HLC etc, I accept that they are not terms that, strictly speaking, fall under of the definition of an event (See pages 5-7 of the thesaurus introduction), however, they do relate to activities that may be important for HERs to record. Therefore the decision was made to include such terms but in order to differentiate these terms from those more traditional 'events' they were assigned a grouping term of 'Heritage Assessment'. The aim has been to create a thesaurus that will be of use to the wider heritage community this has meant that we have, on occasion, taken a more pragmatic approach when deciding what terms should be included. Regarding consultation, the thesaurus was put out to a full peer review last year, 55 people took part in the review and lengthy discussions were entered into with various members of the peer review group regarding suggestions that had been put forward. Unfortunately, given time constraints, it was impossible to enter into individual correspondence with every member of the peer review group but all comments were given full consideration. All the best Paul Paul Adams Data Standards Supervisor English Heritage NMRC, Kemble Drive, Swindon. SN2 2GZ t: 01793 414762 -----Original Message----- From: Issues related to Historic Environment Records [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Crispin Flower Sent: 18 January 2010 13:43 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Event Types Thesaurus - now available Chris I'm sure Paul will speak up, but as I understand it the new thesaurus is supposed to be useful for the MIDAS Heritage "Investigate Activity" and "Research & Analysis" information groups (which come under the "Activities" theme). If this is correct, then types like AP interpretation , EIA become useful and valid. And this ties in with the recording practice of most HERs. On another note... HBSMR users note that although the event type terms may be included in the next thesaurus version, there's still a lot more work to actually enable thesaurus-based recording in the Activities/Events module, and to work out a smooth migration mechanism for existing data. Yours Crispin From: Issues related to Historic Environment Records [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Chris Webster Sent: 18 January 2010 13:15 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Event Types Thesaurus - now available As Paul will be aware, I'm more concerned about what has got in that shouldn't be there than the other way around. I brought this up at the peer review stage but there was no discussion, so I don't know what the thinking is. However, I still cannot see how the inclusion of things such as Environmental Impact Assessment "An information gathering exercise to facilitate an understanding of the potential environmental impact of a development proposal; includes the collation of specialist reports from a variety of disciplines." can be reconciled with the definition of an event: "A single episode of primary data collection over a discrete area of land. This single recording event can only consist of one investigative technique and is therefore a unique entity in time and space". (My emphasis). Things like EIAs and DBAs were clearly meant to be excluded from this definition. They have crept in (via the ALGAO list I think) because they are otherwise difficult to record in a HER but that's not a reason to compromise the thesaurus in this way. Similar considerations apply to APs and this is not a clear cut area. I'd suggest that a flight taken for archaeological purposes is the event - the photos are merely a recording technique (as they would be if taken at ground level). Searching for archaeological things on APs taken for other purposes is no different from looking at old ground level photos, or paintings, for information about a non-extant building. Rant over. Discuss. Chris Webster Somerset Historic Environment Record Taunton Castle Taunton TA1 4AA 01823 255080 Visit the online HER at www.somerset.gov.uk/her -----Original Message----- From: Issues related to Historic Environment Records [mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of Cattermole, Alice Sent: 18 January 2010 12:09 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Event Types Thesaurus - now available Dear Paul, Thanks for this - it looks really useful. One thing that seems to be missing from the list (and which we use quite a lot in Norfolk as we have an NMP project underway) is aerial photo interpretation (as opposed to the actual process of aerial reconnaissance and photography). I would have expected to find it listed under Heritage Assessment - sorry if I have missed this and it's somewhere else in the thesaurus. Many thanks, Alice --- Alice Cattermole Historic Environment Record Officer Norfolk Landscape Archaeology Union House Gressenhall East Dereham NR20 4DR Tel. 01362 869281 ________________________________ From: Issues related to Historic Environment Records [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of ADAMS, Paul Sent: 18 January 2010 11:52 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Event Types Thesaurus - now available Importance: High Dear colleagues, You may be interested to know that English Heritage's Data Standards Unit recently completed a thesaurus of archaeological and architectural fieldwork types and techniques as a development of the ALGAO event type wordlist. The thesaurus will allow users to identify and apply standardized indexing to a wide range of investigative activities that are undertaken by the heritage community, as well as assisting in the retrieval and exchange of data, please see attached leaflet. We are pleased to announce that the first edition of the Event Types Thesaurus is now available in .csv format for building into databases, if you would like a copy in this format please feel free to contact me off list; HBSMR users will receive the thesaurus as part of our next update. Our web pages have now been updated at http://thesaurus.english-heritage.org.uk<http://thesaurus.english-heritage.org.uk/> where users can browse the thesaurus online and download pdf versions of the introduction and appendices. Once again I would like to thank all those who kindly gave their time to comment on and participate in the review of the thesaurus during its construction. Kind regards Paul Paul Adams AIfA Data Standards Supervisor English Heritage NMRC, Kemble Drive, Swindon. SN2 2GZ t: 01793 414762 ________________________________ Concerned about how climate change may affect older properties? What about saving energy? 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