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Dear All, My post in response to Robert Harland was directed at his hoped for future "My take on this is that in future, Schools of Art and Design, especially in the UK, will explore more the idea that 'making a film' might be undertaken as part of a research degree process, in the sense that the 'making' may allow insights that could not be identified through other kinds of 'observation'." - his full post is at the end of this one. I used the term 'temporal' in my comment back very particularly because (1) he, himself, was referring to a development over time and (2) to avoid generating a wave of irrelevant, geographical sniping and (and thanks to David Durling for actually using these words) fatuous comparisons. I'm sure we all agree that any institution that relies on trying to position itself by denigrating others isn't a very interesting or comfortable place to be. But I'm just guessing. Mark Salisbury offered an interesting follow up to one of the strands in Robert's post - perhaps more constructively than I - in giving the quotation from da Vinci. I made no comments at all about the quality of Research Degree Programmes anywhere - by inclusion or exclusion - as the post was about using film-making as part of a research process. Tho' I will now say in the light of some of the myriad posts that have gone by over the last few days that I think falsifiability runs along the lines of .. if you come across a black sheep that will allow you to say not all sheep are white not that there aren't any ;-) I was keeping on topic-fragment and away from quality of research more generally - also quite deliberately - as our local quality assessment processes are not of interest to many outside the country and - as has been demonstrated by many of the weeekend posts - are often poorly understood, at home and further afield. Anyway, coming along now after a busy weekend for the regular posters to this list I can see that Chris Rust and David Durling have served the educational purposes of the list well in this respect in any case. They have managed to summarise what we do in a succinct way whist still conveying something of the rich complexity of the stratetic positioning institution have to make choices about here in submitting research to our government for assessment. Janet Professor Janet McDonnell Central Saint Martins, University of the Arts London, Southampton Row, London WC1B 4AP tel +44 (0) 207 514 7144 ________________________________________ From: Mark Evans [[log in to unmask]] Sent: 11 December 2009 12:48 To: [log in to unmask]; Janet McDonnell Subject: Re: You're late: was 'On the PhD thesis' Hi Janet Whilst there have been a few cases of swine flue on Campus, I'm pretty sure we're free of temporal discontinuity here at Loughborough. Well, there were certainly no references to it in the last RAE results. Just in-case I need to order some boxes of latex gloves, is it contagious? Mark (a jean wearing academic) On Fri, 11 Dec 2009 10:33:37 +0000, Janet McDonnell <[log in to unmask]> wrote: >Dear Robert, > >Greetings from the future where what you envisage 'might' happen has been going on for well over a decade. I think the temporal discontinuity must be your end rather than ours as we at CSM are surrounded by the same future here in London .... Goldsmiths, the Royal College, Chelsea .. to name but 3. Further afield there's Glasgow, Cardiff........... > >Catch up? Ridicule? Hmmmm! > >Happy Christmas ;-) > >Janet > >Professor Janet McDonnell >Central Saint Martins, University of the Arts London, Southampton Row, London WC1B 4AP >tel +44 (0) 207 514 7144 >________________________________________ >From: PhD-Design - This list is for discussion of PhD studies and related research in Design [[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Robert Harland [[log in to unmask]] >Sent: 10 December 2009 15:50 >To: [log in to unmask] >Subject: You're late: was 'On the PhD thesis' > >Hi Gunnar > >My take on this is that in future, Schools of Art and Design, >especially in the UK, will explore more the idea that 'making a film' >might be undertaken as part of a research degree process, in the sense >that the 'making' may allow insights that could not be identified >through other kinds of 'observation'. > >In which case, future students will benefit from both the 'film- >related researcher' and the 'person good at making films' as one and >the same person. And they may look at this, and continue to be taught >by, film-makers from a non-academic environment. > >This raises another question for me. > >I recently posed an issue to immediate colleagues about the parallel >history of formal Art and Design education in the UK, and >traditionally University education. It went something like this: > >'I wonder how we might perceive Research in the UK had Art and Design >been an integral part of the University system as it has developed >since the 1840s.' > >What could Art and Design have contributed to the development of >Research protocols and debates as it has developed since? > >Rather than having to play catch-up, as often seems to be the case. >Even occasionally be ridiculed, by traditional University subjects, >for a lack of etiquette and sophistication. > >I know some of my colleagues here at Loughborough have explored what >we know about 'making', through 'making', as part of their PhD. I have >heard Chris Rust refer to the work of Owain Pedgley, in particular. > >But I do like to entertain myself with the idea that Art and Design >has just simply arrived at this particular party much later than >expected. > >And wearing jeans! > >Robert. > > >Robert Harland Lecturer Loughborough University School of Art >and Design +44 (0)1509 228980 [log in to unmask] >www.lboro.ac.uk/departments/ac/mainpages/Research/staffpages/harland/har land.htm > > > > >On 8 Dec 2009, at 23:00, Swanson, Gunnar wrote: > >> If a university wants to teach filmmaking, it may make sense to have >> students spend some of their time with film researchers but I hope >> it goes without saying that they need to learn to make films from >> people who are good at making films (as opposed to people who are >> good at conducting film-related research.) The attitude toward >> degrees and worthwhile activities of the School of Communication at >> ECU is not unlike the attitude of many universities as a whole.