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medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture Well, mitred abbots could give pontifical blessings, of course. John Briggs ---- Cecilia Gaposchkin <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > > Richard - this is immensely useful. Yes. > So, the bishop would "describe" a cross in the air, at the place of the "+"? > I hadn't understood that. Would other types of priests be able to do this, > or are episcopal blessings reserved specifically for bishops? > This has all been immensely useful - thank you to *all*. > > cecilia > > > > On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 1:00 AM, Richard Kay <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > > > medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture > > > > Briggs is right on in identifying Gellone as a bishop's book. Moeller was > > interested in collecting all versions of a given text, in this case > > *pontifical* blessings, but for the sake of completeness, he would include > > all occurences of a given text, so some nonpontifical occurences slipped in. > > Generally speaking a liturgical oratio is a prayer addressed to God, and > > a blessing is a prayer asking for his blessing on some one or thing. The > > basic features are present in blessings that priests can give. Thus in the > > *Rituale Romanum" (my copy 1947), the main part of the blessing of bees > > begins "Oremus, Domine Deus..." (with rubric, "Oratio") and the operative > > clause is "descendat tua sancta bene+dictio super has apes." Finally, the > > rubric instructs the priest to sprinkle the hive with holy water. The crux > > of the matter is usually marked with a cross, indicating that the officiant > > describes a cross in the air towards whatever is being blessed. > > A typical bishop's blessing - the kind collected in a pontifical > > Benedictionale - is more complicated, being typically constructed of 3 > > clauses, followed by the key words "Quod ipse praestare dignetur..." (May > > the same [god] deign to be present) [the initials Q.i.p.d. frequently > > standing for the whole formula in collections of blessings] and concluding > > "Benedictio dei + patris et + filii et spiritus + sancti, et pax eius sit > > semper vobiscum." > > Hope this helps. Richard Kay > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Briggs" < > > [log in to unmask]> > > > > To: <[log in to unmask]> > > Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 6:15 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [M-R] Benedictions v. Votive masses > > > > > > medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture > >> > >> ---- Cecilia Gaposchkin <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > >> > >>> > >>> Well, this is exactly what I'm trying to figure out. Exactly what an > >>> "oratio" is - here, an "Oratio pro iter agentibus" that follows a "miss > >>> pro > >>> fratibus in via dirigendis" (here, in a Missal from Vich, 11th century). > >>> > >> > >> Well, it's prayer - but whether that means an extra collect or some other > >> prayer, I wouldn't know. What prayers are specified for the mass itself? > >> > >> But, also, what the function of the oratio in, for instance, in the > >>> Gellone > >>> Sacramentary. There is a section for Benedictions and also one for > >>> Masses. > >>> > >> > >> I would expect the Benedictions to be Episcopal Blessings, and the Masses > >> to be Collect, Secret and Postcommunion in all cases. (The celebrant is > >> assumed to be a bishop, which is why the benedictions are included.) > >> > >> I got my start here with Moeller's Corpus Benedictionum Pontificalium. > >>> But > >>> am just a bit confused about what this covers and what it doesn't. > >>> > >> > >> I would expect that to be Episcopal Blessings *only*. > >> > >> John Briggs > >> > >> ********************************************************************** > >> To join the list, send the message: join medieval-religion YOUR NAME > >> to: [log in to unmask] > >> To send a message to the list, address it to: > >> [log in to unmask] > >> To leave the list, send the message: leave medieval-religion > >> to: [log in to unmask] > >> In order to report problems or to contact the list's owners, write to: > >> [log in to unmask] > >> For further information, visit our web site: > >> http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/medieval-religion.html > >> > >> > > ********************************************************************** > > To join the list, send the message: join medieval-religion YOUR NAME > > to: [log in to unmask] > > To send a message to the list, address it to: > > [log in to unmask] > > To leave the list, send the message: leave medieval-religion > > to: [log in to unmask] > > In order to report problems or to contact the list's owners, write to: > > [log in to unmask] > > For further information, visit our web site: > > http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/medieval-religion.html > > > > ********************************************************************** > To join the list, send the message: join medieval-religion YOUR NAME > to: [log in to unmask] > To send a message to the list, address it to: > [log in to unmask] > To leave the list, send the message: leave medieval-religion > to: [log in to unmask] > In order to report problems or to contact the list's owners, write to: > [log in to unmask] > For further information, visit our web site: > http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/medieval-religion.html ********************************************************************** To join the list, send the message: join medieval-religion YOUR NAME to: [log in to unmask] To send a message to the list, address it to: [log in to unmask] To leave the list, send the message: leave medieval-religion to: [log in to unmask] In order to report problems or to contact the list's owners, write to: [log in to unmask] For further information, visit our web site: http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/medieval-religion.html