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Hi, Kate An hour is too little time and I would definitely go through the basics. We are trying a two step workshop, Step one of PUSH strategy, how to be up-to-date, teaching our health professionals to use the tools that they would use for a push strategy, like using a nice agreggator or READER (aka. google reader, feedly, etc.) and also how to manage tons of information using filters like twitter lists and facebook pages, (BMJ-updates, definitely). Step two is the PULL strategy, where we use what Paul G just recommended, depending on the audience expectations and expertise (and time available for the workshop). We begin with a lecture of study designs, terminology, booleans etc, then a hands on workshop to solve a problem and then their own questions. In our experience, each step would take +/-2 hours with busy clinicians, so I think for your case is difficult Of course these are just opinions, we are hoping to see more research on this topic. Cheers everyone On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 3:58 AM, Mark Kerr <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > And if you're searching for a comprehensive readymade handout, you could do > worse than South Central's Guidance document: > http://www.nesc.nhs.uk/pdf/Lit_search_protocols_Oct2009.pdf > > Good resource list, explains PICO nicely, and although it's far too > detailed for your session, it is good for background (or for the facilitator > to check they're not missing anything crucial...) > > Mark. > > >>> "nasra.gathoni" <[log in to unmask]> 18/12/2009 09:28 >>> > Oh yes the EBM workbook by Paul is really useful. > > Since it's an introductory for beginners I would suggest a brief on > Background and foreground questions. You can come up with a "long" clinical > scenario; they identify the question, come up with key words (perhaps using > PICO) and then carry out the search on the databases mentioned i.e Medline, > Trip database etc. I think this completes the search process as opposed to > coming up with 2 key words and doing the search...at times the problem is > actually what key words to key in from the clinical scenario and from there > what database to use or what filters to use. > > The rest to follow i.e. study designs, level of evidence etc > > Interactive... > 1 or two participants can explain a real case scenario they had and were > "frustrated" trying to search for the literature. The participant(s) should > show the rest what he did and you correct as he goes on. I think they tend > to make common mistakes (e.g. use of keywords, Boolean logic, not know which > database to use etc) and the rest can learn from the "presenter". I am > hoping in some instances the rest of the participants will point out the > "mistakes" and not necessarily you. Don't know if this is fun but at least > its interactive (1 hour is quite tight:() > > Cheers > Nasra Gathoni* > Librarian, Aga Khan University > ________________________________ > From: Evidence based health (EBH) [mailto: > [log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Paul Elias > Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 11:36 PM > To: [log in to unmask] > Subject: Re: Searching workshop ideas needed > > Hi Kate: > > 1.) see if you can secure some Oxford EBM workbooks written by Paul > Glaziou..excellent > > 2.) focus searching on pubmed and cochrane...define the difference > > 3.) spend time first orienting on some key concepts that pervade the > literature and they must be able to be comfortable to help make > decisions....these are estimates RR, OR, rel risk difference, absolute risk > diff, NNT,NNH, incidence, prevalence, rate/risk/ratio definitions, > > 4.) designs: case-series, cross-sectional, case-control, cohort, RCT, > systematic reviews and what stats analysis is applicable > > 5.) nothing is better than using maybe 4 studies, RCTs, and going through > it line by line as to methods and results...i.e. focus on internal validity > random assignment, allocation concealment, group differences at baseline and > what that means...do not need be tough papers as this will be negative and > laborious to them...use simple ones but ones that cover the > essentials...thus use the CONSORT, PRISMA, QUORUM etc. to guide you in > showing them what is good and what is not good in the published evidence > base...in other words, what is expected... > > do not do too much as will be overwhelmed but these are key ...Paul's book > alone is a good stand alone..... > > > Best Wishes, > > Paul > > > > > > > --- On Thu, 12/17/09, Kate Boddy <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > > From: Kate Boddy <[log in to unmask]> > Subject: Searching workshop ideas needed > To: [log in to unmask] > Received: Thursday, December 17, 2009, 3:12 PM > Dear All > > Next year we are rolling out a new one day EBM workshop. I have been tasked > with setting up an hour long searching session as part of this course. It is > aimed at NHS clinicians - a group I have not worked with before. > > I would like to pick your collective brain for hints and tips, examples and > session plans that you have found worked well. > > The session is to be introductory, for beginners. It will be delivered in > small groups (max 8). We aim to help them answer clinical queries, using one > or two resources. > > I'd like to make the session really interactive; any fun ideas especially > welcome. > > If you are willing to share ideas I would be very grateful. 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