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Manty thanks Ron, we had heard about these when they were being written and were really envious ! Then soon, we had our own curriculum. A document like this is immensly helpful, not least for new teachers of ESOL like me - well I was a new teacher back then. It helped me see the bigger picture but also, again, allowed that shared understanding. Thankyou so much. Naeema ________________________________ From: ESOL-Research discussion forum and message board on behalf of Ron Lavoie Sent: Fri 06/11/2009 12:42 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Teach Pre_LITERATE ESOL students (in their own languages) More detailed information (and that's an understatement) is available here: http://language.ca/display_page.asp?page_id=255 From: ESOL-Research discussion forum and message board [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Hann, Naeema Sent: November-06-09 5:52 AM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Teach Pre_LITERATE ESOL students (in their own languages) Dear Ron, Thankyou for this, very useful to know. It's wonderful to have these global discussion lists and to have a common language to talk about learners. all the best, Naeema -----Original Message----- From: ESOL-Research discussion forum and message board [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Ron Lavoie Sent: 05 November 2009 12:42 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Teach Pre_LITERATE ESOL students (in their own languages) As I understand the term, pre-literate refers to individuals speaking languages without a written form, or for which a written form has only recently been devised. In Canada, we generally use the term "literacy learner" rather than "illiterate." From: ESOL-Research discussion forum and message board [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Hann, Naeema Sent: November-05-09 7:34 AM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Teach Pre_LITERATE ESOL students (in their own languages) I have heard the term pre-literate, particularly in North American and Canadian circles. I feel more comfortable with this - I used to run a basic literacy programme for pre and low-literate adults, giving literacy and study skills in L1. Naeema B.Hann PhD candidate ELT lecturer, part-time Leslie Silver International Faculty Macaulay Hall Headingley Campus Leeds Metropolitan University Leeds LS6 3QS ph. 0113-8129311 ________________________________ From: ESOL-Research discussion forum and message board on behalf of Adrian Salmond Sent: Thu 05/11/2009 10:05 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Teach NON_LITERATE ESOL students (in their own languages) I was going to write a similar comment but it seems Naomi beat me to it. It's certainly a few years since I heard someone use "illiterate" to refer to adult Literacy learners. Adrian. On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 16:50:16 -0000, Naomi Horrocks <[log in to unmask]> wrote: >It is great to have all this information but I have huge problems with the use of the term illiterate. 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