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You're quite right about the Penguin, Hannibal. We're comparing two excellent editions, after all. The Yale Shorter paperback wasn't well bound, but it was beautifully laid out and very ably edited. I would give the nod to McCabe for the apparatus simply because he's a significantly better critic than most of the rest of us, but with small type and notes jammed in the back, the edition is more economical than lovely. It's the one I use, though. On the other hand no single edition ever fully supersedes the editorial tradition--not even Hamilton's truly monumental FQ does that. I wouldn't consider my own library complete if it lacked either the Yale or the McCabe. On Oct 2, 2009, at 5:02 PM, Hannibal Hamlin wrote: > Another factor, often neglected, is the physical layout of the book. > The Yale Shorter Poems has a wonderfully generous amount of white > space, letting the poetry breath, and the student scribble > marginalia. I don't have the Penguin Spenser to hand, but if it's > like other Penguins, it is probably more economical in its use of > paper, alas. > > On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 4:57 PM, anne prescott <[log in to unmask]> > wrote: > Poor Peter. He was probably forced to buy all this stuff because > people like me made him do so. I just wanted to add that either in > Peter's Columbia days or just before he came I was teaching a grad > course on Spenser and had an honest-to-God student revolt on my > hands when we turned back to the "minor" poems. I was told that now > way, no how, under no circumstances absent bayonets or pistols were > they going to read any more from the Smith and Selincourt edition. > Just as I was wondering what to do, being younger and still > remembering 1968 at Columbia, behold! The Yale Shorter poems! The > bookstore rushed them to us and all was well. Anne P. > > On Oct 2, 2009, at 4:07 PM, Peter Herman wrote: > >> I could probably get it now, but I bought the Yale FQ when I was >> but young, callow, and broke graduate student! (which is one reason >> I keep my “folios” of this edition). >> >> pch >> >> >> On 10/2/09 1:01 PM, "Hannibal Hamlin" <[log in to unmask]> >> wrote: >> >>> The trick with the Yale FQ is to get the hardcover! >>> >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 12:55 PM, Peter Herman >>> <[log in to unmask]> wrote: >>>> In my experience, the Yale Shorter Poems stayed together. It's >>>> the Faerie >>>> Queene that has turned into an unbound manuscript rather than a >>>> book. >>>> >>>> Peter C. Herman >>>> >>>> >>>> On 10/2/09 9:46 AM, "Anne Prescott" <[log in to unmask]> wrote: >>>> >>>> > I wish myself that Yale would do a new edition (and, yes, do a >>>> better >>>> > job of binding). I find both Yale and McCabe admirable. As for >>>> the >>>> > Norton, Hugh and I simply dropped the Fowre Hymnes, rightly or >>>> > wrongly, and of course the matter in the notes had to go too. >>>> In the >>>> > much-delayed new Norton Andrew Hadfield and I are adding the >>>> Ruines >>>> > of Rome not as supergreat poetry but as feeding a current >>>> interest in >>>> > empire etc. Nice and short, too. Suggestions for what needs >>>> glossing >>>> > are welcome. Yes, we are now three years late. Stuff happened. >>>> Anne. >>>> > >>>> > On Oct 2, 2009, at 12:26 PM, JD Fleming wrote: >>>> > >>>> >> Thanks to all! JD Fleming >>>> >> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> >> From: [log in to unmask] >>>> >> To: [log in to unmask] >>>> >> Sent: Thursday, October 1, 2009 9:59:31 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada >>>> >> Pacific >>>> >> Subject: Re: McCabe / Oram >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> Carol Kaske gives good reasons for preferring McCabe's Penguin >>>> >> edition. I haven't used either across the whole extent of the >>>> >> shorter poems, but it's my impression that McCabe's apparatus of >>>> >> introductions and notes is somewhat superior. Working >>>> recently on >>>> >> the Fowre Hymnes , however, and consulting both editions, in the >>>> >> Yale edition I found things of value in Einar Bjorvand's notes >>>> that >>>> >> supplemented McCabe's. (And in Hugh Maclean's original Norton >>>> >> Critical Ed. of 1968, there is matter in the notes that hasn't >>>> been >>>> >> retained in either of the later editions.) >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> Cheers, Jon Quitslund >>>> >> >>>> >> -------------- Original message from JD Fleming >>>> <[log in to unmask]>: >>>> >> -------------- >>>> >> >>>> >> To all those who know: how does the Penguin edition of Spenser's >>>> >> Shorter Poems, >>>> >>> ed. McCabe, compare with the Yale, ed. Oram et al.? >>>> >>> >>>> >>> -- >>>> >>> James Dougal Fleming >>>> >>> Associate Professor >>>> >>> Department of English >>>> >>> Simon Fraser University >>>> >>> >>>> >>> "to see what is questionable" >>>> >> >>>> >> -- >>>> >> James Dougal Fleming >>>> >> Associate Professor >>>> >> Department of English >>>> >> Simon Fraser University >>>> >> >>>> >> "to see what is questionable" >>> >>> > > > > > -- > Hannibal Hamlin > Associate Professor of English > The Ohio State University > 164 West 17th Ave., 421 Denney Hall > Columbus, OH 43210-1340 > [log in to unmask] > [log in to unmask]