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terry, is it your conception that the whole empirical domain of human-artifact interaction, usability, computer interfaces, learning, discourse equals or could be embraced by "styling" or the larger area of "art and design"? i have not heard anyone arguing for that. klaus -----Original Message----- From: PhD-Design - This list is for discussion of PhD studies and related research in Design [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Terence Love Sent: Monday, October 12, 2009 11:07 AM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: current Trends in Design Research, where are we going ? Dear Fils, Lars, Klaus and all, Some of these discussions echo much earlier debates from the 60s and 70s. Since that time, products have become more sophisticated and design terms have changed. I'm wondering, however, if many of the current arguments are at heart arguing for a return to the homely idea of Art and Design as 'styling' as distinct from 'engineering' - using the new terminology remake the old anew. Since the 60s, the 'technical design' aspects of designs have become more sophisticated. We use terms such as 'intelligent' solutions, software-driven, 'responsive', 'informatic' to refer to some of the new developments that were previously lumped under 'engineering design' or what some called 'engineering'. Similarly, the external form aspects of designs became more sophisticated. We use terms such as interface design, usability, emotion-based design to refer to some of these new developments that were previously lumped under 'style' and 'styling'. The current arguments that attempt to argue for 'Art and Design' fields as being very different leaves me wondering whether those who are arguing 'interface design', usability and the like against 'engineering' are in fact arguing for a return of the 'Art and Design' fields to a role of 'styling'. I welcome others thoughts on this. Like Fils, I've been hoping the world has moved on and that it is possible to make a seamless bridge between the technical design fields with their radical new approaches to design that can build on expertise in mathematics and systems, the traditional Art and Design fields with their newly evolved subfields such as interaction design, and the new kids on the block such as organization design, services design and complex systems design. Best wishes, Terry -----Original Message----- From: PhD-Design - This list is for discussion of PhD studies and related research in Design [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Filippo A. Salustri Sent: Monday, 12 October 2009 9:11 PM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: current Trends in Design Research, where are we going ? ... A good solution has no disciplinary boundaries, ... The problem (at least here in North America) is that the separation between specialities has led to a separation in aspects of the products. Insofar as the new 'design process' designer being a specialist, I would suggest that even being a generalist, like me, is a kind of specialization. I specialize in generalism. :)