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medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture Iıd recommend the British MA programs, especially those at UCL (University College, London) and York. Cambridge and Oxford have the reputation, but less of the practical skills that it sounds like your student needs. The advantage of the British MAs are that they finish in a year and so, even with the exorbitant costs of living in London, it is usually significantly cheaper than the 2 year programs available in the states. This is relates primarily to the 1 year time span and the fact that tuition in England is significantly cheaper than in the US (though as an American, heıll pay significantly more than the British). As a warning, though, it is very hard to get a loan for a degree abroad when the course of study is only a year. Unless things have changed, you canıt work with the student visa in England, but I could be mistaken. I particularly recommend the UCL program. It provides the student with the opportunity of taking courses at pretty much any of the London universities, with them counting towards the degree. Moreover, the faculty are usually amenable to the student taking more than the full course load of 3 classes (they are over ~8 months, with the remaining c.4 months devoted to the thesis). As for track records, I personally know of 3 students who went through the UCL MA program in the last 7 years and who have subsequently gotten into Ivy-league PhD programs for Medieval History; I donıt know anyone who did the program and, wanting to go to such a PhD program, did not get admitted. As for application deadlines and admittance dates, the deadlines are much later in the spring, after your student would have heard about any applications to PhD programs. The turn over is pretty fast, with notification usually around late May or early June, but for more specifics Iıd recommend writing to the MA directors either at York or UCL. Michelle Michelle Garceau Assistant Professor History Department College of Charleston [log in to unmask] On 10/13/09 10:09 AM, "George FERZOCO" <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture John > -- another possibility is that your student could work for a year in a place > like London or Paris, supporting himself by, e.g., teaching English as a > second language. With a flexible work schedule, he could attend the endless > and high-quality medieval seminars on offer in the various universities and > institutes there. This would be a way to survive and even make some money > while getting a great education. > > I'd hope that when the day comes for him to apply to a major doctoral program, > he will be accepted. > > George > > (TAN: In the unlikely and unfortunate case of his application being turned > down, let us urge him to be gracious and tenacious. Unlike the gentleman at > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0w3YJjdXZBM .) > > -- > George FERZOCO > [log in to unmask] > > > > On 5 Oct 2009, at 23:08, John Wickstrom wrote: > >> Dear List members, >> >> I have a senior history major concentrating on Medieval Studies who has high >> hopes for getting a PhD at a good university and working in our privileged >> profession. However, I donıt think heıs ready yet for the Ivies (he just >> wonıt get in for another thing). His Latin is imprecise and his writing is >> uneven. His preliminary GRE was mediocre. But he works very hard, he speaks >> well, and has great determinationqualities in the long run that will serve >> him well. It was suggested to me that a good masterıs program with a record >> of sending its more successful students on to the Ivies or equivalents would >> be a good possibility. >> However, looking around at various sources, I donıt see a plethora of such >> programs: Toronto,, Chicagoıs MA in humanities seem the best of the lot. Are >> there others out there that are of this level with a good record of placing >> their students? Is there another route I might recommend to him? This is >> really an extraordinarily promising student, but he needs more time and >> competition and experience. I would welcome any suggestions from the list. >> thanks >> John Wickstrom >> Kalamazoo College > ********************************************************************** To join > the list, send the message: join medieval-religion YOUR NAME to: > [log in to unmask] To send a message to the list, address it to: > [log in to unmask] To leave the list, send the message: leave > medieval-religion to: [log in to unmask] In order to report problems or > to contact the list's owners, write to: > [log in to unmask] For further information, visit our > web site: http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/medieval-religion.html ********************************************************************** To join the list, send the message: join medieval-religion YOUR NAME to: [log in to unmask] To send a message to the list, address it to: [log in to unmask] To leave the list, send the message: leave medieval-religion to: [log in to unmask] In order to report problems or to contact the list's owners, write to: [log in to unmask] For further information, visit our web site: http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/medieval-religion.html