medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture Cecelia, 
The article in question is "Patronage of Saints and Civic Religion in the Italy of the Communes" in The Laity in the Middle Ages (Notre Dame, 1993) (I think it might be a reprinted article, but I'm not sure). 
At Orvieto, in 1350, the city sent a 50 lb candle to the cathedral for the Virgin and a second smaller one (weight unspecified in the article) to the cathedral for a local saint.  The Dominican house received 2 20 lb candles, one for Dominic and one for a local saint.  The Franciscans received a similar pair of candles, and the Augustinians 1 candle.  Statutes required that the candles remain in place for 1 full year, when they would be replaced.  
In 1314, Orvieto issued a statute specifying that its candles "should serve exclusively to illuminate the body of Christ and should remain lit until the end of the Elevation."  If a candle was not kept for a whole year, it was not to be replaced.  A notary was required to visit the church every three months to ensure the candle was in the proper location.
In 1315, Poggibonsi declared a candle-lit procession for a local saint.  Beginning in 1321, the town annually calculated the number of candles to be used, which varied between 200 and 500.  They were donated to the local Franciscan house. An equal number of merchants were required to donate candles and participate in the procession.  The number of candles dropped from 500 in 1348 to 350 in 1350.  
Also in Poggibonsi, on the feast of a local saint, the guilds conducted a torch-lit procession to the saint's church and then donated the torches, on penalty of a fine.  The next day, the town presented wax to the same church.  
In 1451, Amandola decreed an annual donation of a 50-solidi candle.  After 1471, the value of the candle went up to 10 pounds.
In 1391, Spoleto decreed a donation of 30 lbs of wax every year to the Dominican church, although in 1397 this was reduced to several (4, I think)candles of 3 lbs each.  Two more candles of equal weight were given to another church.  The remaining 12 lbs of wax  was given to clergy who participated.
Most of the saints involved were uncanonized saints, so the towns in question were giving civic approval to these saints and thereby skirting church control of canonization.
So to answer your questions, it seems that the candles were expected to be used, although the requirement to check up suggests that there was a worry they wouldn't be used.  At Orvieto, the town tried to ensure exactly when the candles were used during the service, and exactly where they would be shedding their light.  The economic value of the candles was clearly an issue in some cases, since at Amandola they increased the cost, while at Spoleto, because of quarrels between churches, they decided to rebalance how the candles/wax was being given away. The fact that Poggibonsi fined those who failed to donate their candles suggests that some people resisted the required donation.  So although the value of the candles was symbolic and practical (Orvieto did want them used for lighting) to the town government, they were aware of the economic aspects of the issue and tried to control them.
Hope this helps.

Andrew E. Larsen

On Oct 19, 2009, at 7:49 PM, John Dillon wrote:

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Dear Cecilia,

It's a little hard to get answers to these question when we don't have the title or venue of Vauchez's article.  But if you take the time to look at the pertinent pages in Augustine Thompson's book via the link I provided in my previous post, you will find answers to some of your questions, albeit not in enough quantity or detail to permit useful generalizations.

Best again,
John Dillon


On Monday, October 19, 2009 7:28 pm, Cecilia Gaposchkin wrote:

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OK, Good. But what was the value of the candle? Did the church use these
candles? Were they used to light the church? Was the wax sold for 
income? It
clearly had alot of symbolic capital.  What I'm not getting is the ultimate
value of the votive object.  Was it practical? Economic? purely symbolic?
Were these candle used? lighted?

cecilia



On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 8:15 PM, Andrew Larsen <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

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Andre Vauchez has an interesting article about how Italian cities managed
saints cults partly through donations of candles.  In at least one city,
they sent an official around to check if the church in question was 
keeping
the city's (massive) candle on its altar all year.  Those that 
didn't were
penalized.  The gift of the candle was a sign of official approval 
by the
city.

Andrew E. Larsen


On Oct 19, 2009, at 6:54 PM, Dr Jim Bugslag wrote:

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This is a large subject, and I have never seen any really good 
study of
it, but you are certainly right about the votive use of candles.  
It was
common for someone to be "measured for a candle" in relation to an 
expected
miracle cure at the shrine of a saint, the candle in question being 
either
the length of the person or their weight.  There were also 
trindles, which
were long tapers, usually wound into a skein.  The city of Chartres 
annually
offered one to the cathedral that was as long as the circumference 
of the
city walls.  And there were all sorts of miraculous candles, as 
well.  I
believe that S. Maria Maggiore in Rome claimed one of four candles 
that were
believed to have descended from heaven around the Virgin Mary at 
the birth
of Christ, and in the early 11th century, the Virgin showed up in 
person at
Arras, leaving the Holy Candle there, with instructions on how to 
use its
wax to cure the mal des ardents.  It was usually believed that such 
candles
could burn without being consumed, and other miraculous candles 
were often
created using bits of their wax.
Cheers,
Jim

Cecilia Gaposchkin wrote:

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culture
Hello all,
I'm just now catching up on this thread, and it catches my attention
because I have just been reading some miracle and pilgrimage 
stories, and
everyone is always pledging candles, and giving candles, and 
buying candles
- candles of quite enormous proportions: candles the length of the 
tomb,
candles the length of a sick son, candles the length and shape of 
a lame
leg, and so forth - to the shrine.

When, as a graduate student, I used to lecture at the Cloisters, I 
had
some pithy and almost certainly inaccurate line about the desire 
for light
in churches, the "donations" of candles and [ahem, this is where 
it becomes
methodologically dubious], and appearance of stained glass with Gothic
architecture and the "desire" for "light".
I'm not really asking for an explanation of that crazy argument. But
rather, if we're talking about medieval lighting, can anyone talk 
abit about
the function/economics/aesthetics/and/osprituality of the "candle" 
in the
medieval churches.   It seems alot of people were spending alot of 
money -
even money they didn't have much of - on candles.

cecilia



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   I had just looked up the reference to suggest the same article.
    It is fascinating reading.  Ekirch presents evidence that, before
   the advent of cheap electrical  lighting, people went to bed at
   dusk woke up around midnight to relieve themselves, eat and
   socialize, and then nodded off for their "second sleep."

   For medievalists it suggests that monks getting up in the middle
   of the night were not really practicing asceticism.  They were
   following a typical sleep pattern.  The monastic element in their
   vigils was their prayer.

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   On preindustrial sleeping patterns, some might find this article
   interesting: A. Roger Ekirch, "Sleep We Have Lost: Pre-industrial
   Slumber in
   the British Isles," The American Historical Review 106:2 
(April, 2001)

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