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Thanks, Franz, yours is an especially helpful reply. John W. > -----Original Message----- > From: medieval-religion - Scholarly discussions of medieval religious culture > [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Frans van Liere > Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 10:48 AM > To: [log in to unmask] > Subject: Re: [M-R] Master's degree in Medieval Studies > > medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture > > And perhaps I should add: while studying in England might be more expensive > per > annum, the great advantage is that these programs are just one year, rather > than two years long. > > Frans van Liere > Department of History, Calvin College > 1845 Knollcrest Circle SE > Grand Rapids, MI 49546-4402 > e-mail: [log in to unmask] > http://www.calvin.edu/academic/history/faculty/vanlieref/ > > >>> Frans van Liere <[log in to unmask]> 10/6/2009 10:40 AM >>> > medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture > > John, > > I've advised a few students that sound exactly like yours (I won't give any > names, because by now, they are well on the way to finish PhDs in very > respectable institutions.) > English MA programs are an excellent way for students like these to test out > if they are on the right career path. It offers some international experience > (without the language barrier), with the level of American student loans they > don't compare so badly with the cost of studying in the US, and helps them > not > only acquire some good research skills, but will help them get admitted in a > US PhD program. Some programs I can think of that I always recommend: York, > Nottingham, Bristol, Reading, Leeds. Am I overlooking any?? > Others took this time to figure out that academic careers were just not their > cup of tea. That's a fine outcome, too. Better discover that when you're 25 > than when you're 45. > We've had some Calvin students do MAs in England in the past few years, in > related fields (historical preservation, e.g.) and their experience has > always > been very positive ! (In fact, some married Englishmen and never returned > ...) > > > > Frans van Liere > Department of History, Calvin College > 1845 Knollcrest Circle SE > Grand Rapids, MI 49546-4402 > e-mail: [log in to unmask] > http://www.calvin.edu/academic/history/faculty/vanlieref/ > > >>> Larry Swain <[log in to unmask]> 10/6/2009 12:53 AM >>> > medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture > > Interestingly, the OP is just down the street from the MA in Medieval Studies > from WMU's Medieval Institute..... > > For other ideas, you might check the CARA website > http://acmrs.org/web_pages/online_resources/online_resources_cara.html > > > Larry Swain > > > I have a senior history > > major concentrating on Medieval Studies who has high hopes > > for getting a PhD at a good university and working in our > > privileged profession. However, I don’t think he’s ready > > yet for the Ivies (he just won’t get in for another > > thing). His Latin is imprecise and his writing is uneven. > > His preliminary GRE was mediocre. But he works very hard, he > > speaks well, and has great determination…qualities in the > > long run that will serve him well. It was suggested to me > > that a good master’s program with a record of sending its > > more successful students on to the Ivies or equivalents > > would be a good possibility. > > However, > > looking around at various sources, I don’t see a plethora > > of such programs: Toronto,, Chicago’s MA in humanities > > seem the best of the lot. Are there others out there that > > are of this level with a good record of placing their > > students? Is there another route I might recommend to him? > > This is really an extraordinarily promising student, but he > > needs more time and competition and experience. I would > > welcome any suggestions from the list. > > thanksJohn > > WickstromKalamazoo > > College > > > > ********************************************************************** > > To join the list, send the message: join medieval-religion > > YOUR NAME to: [log in to unmask] > > To send a message to the list, address it to: > [log in to unmask] > > To leave the list, send the message: leave medieval-religion > > to: [log in to unmask] > > In order to report problems or to contact the list's > > owners, write to: [log in to unmask] > > For further information, visit our web site: > http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/medieval-religion.html > > > > ********************************************************************** > > To join the list, send the message: join medieval-religion > > YOUR NAME > > to: [log in to unmask] > > To send a message to the list, address it to: > > [log in to unmask] > > To leave the list, send the message: leave > > medieval-religion > > to: [log in to unmask] > > In order to report problems or to contact the list's > > owners, write to: > > [log in to unmask] > > For further information, visit our web site: > > http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/medieval-religion.html > > > > > > ********************************************************************** > > To join the list, send the message: join medieval-religion > > YOUR NAME > > to: [log in to unmask] > > To send a message to the list, address it to: > > [log in to unmask] > > To leave the list, send the message: leave > > medieval-religion > > to: [log in to unmask] > > In order to report problems or to contact the list's > > owners, write to: > > [log in to unmask] > > For further information, visit our web site: > > http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/medieval-religion.html > > > > > > > ********************************************************************** > To join the list, send the message: join medieval-religion YOUR NAME > to: [log in to unmask] > To send a message to the list, address it to: > [log in to unmask] > To leave the list, send the message: leave medieval-religion > to: [log in to unmask] > In order to report problems or to contact the list's owners, write to: > [log in to unmask] > For further information, visit our web site: > http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/medieval-religion.html > > ********************************************************************** > To join the list, send the message: join medieval-religion YOUR NAME > to: [log in to unmask] > To send a message to the list, address it to: > [log in to unmask] > To leave the list, send the message: leave medieval-religion > to: [log in to unmask] > In order to report problems or to contact the list's owners, write to: > [log in to unmask] > For further information, visit our web site: > http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/medieval-religion.html > > ********************************************************************** > To join the list, send the message: join medieval-religion YOUR NAME > to: [log in to unmask] > To send a message to the list, address it to: > [log in to unmask] > To leave the list, send the message: leave medieval-religion > to: [log in to unmask] > In order to report problems or to contact the list's owners, write to: > [log in to unmask] > For further information, visit our web site: > http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/medieval-religion.html