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medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture John, I'll dig it out of Powicke & Cheney. Thank you. Tom > medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture > > Hi Tom, > > Winchelsey's decree (at least it's attributed to him) draws on earlier > material and is dated between 1295-1313. It was never officially > pronounced but it circulated widely and apparently was treated as > authoritative. The original is in Powicke and Cheney's Councils and > Synods, v. II, pt, ii, pp. 1385-86, 1387. I also have an English trans. > if you'd like it. > > Best, > John > > ------------------------------------------ > John Shinners > Professor of Humanistic Studies > Saint Mary's College > Notre Dame, Indiana 46556 > Phone: 574-284-4494 or 574-284-4534 > Fax: 284-4855 > www.saintmarys.edu/~hust > > "Learn everything. Afterwards you will see that nothing is superfluous." > -- Hugh of St. Victor (d. 1141) > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Tom Izbicki <[log in to unmask]> > To: [log in to unmask] > Sent: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 14:41:01 -0400 (EDT) > Subject: Re: [M-R] Medieval lighting > > medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture > > John, > > Where could I find the Winchelsey? I am preparing a paper on the canon > law concerning Viaticum processions & would find it useful. > > Tom Izbicki > > John Shinners wrote: >> medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and >> culture >> >> On the other hand, English parish churches could often be dark. >> Parishioners across Hereford regularly complained in a visitation >> register from 1397 that their churches were so dark that priests had >> trouble reading in them because of "lack of light" (defectum luminis). >> For instance, at the parish of Dixton, they said their chancel was so >> dark that the priest had to use candles to say mass even in the middle >> of the day: "cancellus est obscurus et tenebrosus, ita quod in meridie >> seruicium diuinum non potest fieri ibidem sine candela..." >> >> As for the phrase "a shilling for candles," the 14th-century wills I've >> read usually say something vague like XX d. "pro luminibus" or "ad >> sustenacionen cereorum coram" some named altar. Money is sometimes >> spent by wealthier testators for X pounds of wax for funeral >> candles/torches. I'd have to look more carefully, but 12 p. = a >> shilling does seem to be a standard bequest for altar candles. >> >> In terms of lights, Bp. Robt. Winchelsey's unofficial 13th-century list >> of what parishioners are obliged to provide to their parish church only >> mentions a candle-holder for the Paschal candle and a lamp to precede >> the priest carrying the viaticum to the sick. >> >> Best, >> John >> >> ------------------------------------------ >> John Shinners >> Professor of Humanistic Studies >> Saint Mary's College >> Notre Dame, Indiana 46556 >> Phone: 574-284-4494 or 574-284-4534 >> Fax: 284-4855 >> www.saintmarys.edu/~hust >> >> "Learn everything. Afterwards you will see that nothing is >> superfluous." -- Hugh of St. Victor (d. 1141) >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: John Dillon <[log in to unmask]> >> To: [log in to unmask] >> Sent: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 11:50:08 -0400 (EDT) >> Subject: Re: [M-R] Medieval lighting >> >> medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and >> culture >> >> For what little this is worth, the cross-dressing episode in the >> probably monastic, perhaps late twelfth- or early thirteenth-century >> legendary Vita of the early medieval St. Vitalian of Capua (BHL 1254) >> envisions a situation in which V.'s wearing women's clothing while he >> celebrates Matins in his cathedral (an adaptation of a similar incident >> in legendary Vitae of St. Jerome) only becomes apparent to others as it >> grows light. Which in turn means that the Vita's audience is expected >> -- if it thinks about this -- to imagine a chancel insufficiently lit at >> the outset of the service to permit observation of the nature of the >> celebrant's clothing. >> >> This seems more likely to reflect dimness on the part of the Vita's >> author than actual darkness in the chancel at Montevergine (or wherever >> the Vita was written) when Matins began. Still,... >> >> Best, >> John Dillon >> >> >> On Tuesday, October 20, 2009, at 6:39 am, Brenda Cook wrote: >> >> >>> An entertaining gloss on the whole business of moving around it the >>> dark is, of course, Chaucer's The Reeve's Tale. That is the one where >>> two students (from Cambridge, too, tut tut) spend the night with a >>> dishonest miller and his family and get their revenge by [swiving] >>> (please substitute your preferred polite word) the miller's daughter >>> and wife respectively. The mainspring of the nocturnal errors is the >>> fact that student Allan shifts the baby's cradle from the foot of one >>> bed to the other thus totally confusing the navigational aids in the >>> darkened room. There is also a reference to a gleam of moonlight >>> coming in through the shutters at a crucial moment. >>> >> >> ********************************************************************** >> To join the list, send the message: join medieval-religion YOUR NAME >> to: [log in to unmask] >> To send a message to the list, address it to: >> [log in to unmask] >> To leave the list, send the message: leave medieval-religion >> to: [log in to unmask] >> In order to report problems or to contact the list's owners, write to: >> [log in to unmask] >> For further information, visit our web site: >> http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/medieval-religion.html >> >> ********************************************************************** >> To join the list, send the message: join medieval-religion YOUR NAME >> to: [log in to unmask] >> To send a message to the list, address it to: >> [log in to unmask] >> To leave the list, send the message: leave medieval-religion >> to: [log in to unmask] >> In order to report problems or to contact the list's owners, write to: >> [log in to unmask] >> For further information, visit our web site: >> http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/medieval-religion.html >> > > ********************************************************************** > To join the list, send the message: join medieval-religion YOUR NAME > to: [log in to unmask] > To send a message to the list, address it to: > [log in to unmask] > To leave the list, send the message: leave medieval-religion > to: [log in to unmask] > In order to report problems or to contact the list's owners, write to: > [log in to unmask] > For further information, visit our web site: > http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/medieval-religion.html > > ********************************************************************** > To join the list, send the message: join medieval-religion YOUR NAME > to: [log in to unmask] > To send a message to the list, address it to: > [log in to unmask] > To leave the list, send the message: leave medieval-religion > to: [log in to unmask] > In order to report problems or to contact the list's owners, write to: > [log in to unmask] > For further information, visit our web site: > http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/medieval-religion.html > ********************************************************************** To join the list, send the message: join medieval-religion YOUR NAME to: [log in to unmask] To send a message to the list, address it to: [log in to unmask] To leave the list, send the message: leave medieval-religion to: [log in to unmask] In order to report problems or to contact the list's owners, write to: [log in to unmask] For further information, visit our web site: http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/medieval-religion.html