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Liz, I agree. Poetry can be taught as an academic subject, but I don't think innovation in writing can. I fear this journal will become yet another exclusive partisan establishment body, like Poetry Review is for the mainstream. However much I admire the board of directors individually, especially Marjorie, I feel they are merely figureheads used to add credibility to a project born from insecurity. On Tue, 20 Oct 2009 01:24:27 +0100, Liz Kirby <[log in to unmask]> wrote: >I know I am being a bit sniffy really (hi Geraldine!) - just getting over >flu, what can I say? > >I don't dismiss the journal, and I don't disparage the poets. > >I am just struck by a certain dependence on official sanction and academic >authority. How powerful and grand it is. How restrained and measured and >intelligent. >And then I know that what I love, what stirs me, is work that spits and >vomits and is embarrassingly passionate..... > >Universities and academics are A Good Thing. Poetry however is an >incontinent, driven thing. And sometimes not very polite. Or very clever. > >Lx > > > > >2009/10/19 rupert mallin <[log in to unmask]> > >> Sorry Peter, but how do you teach innovative poetry as opposed to >> teaching poetry? Also, is 'Innovative Poetry' now an "established and >> respectable academic speciality" in this country? Mmm, tell that to the >> University of East Anglia -- but also tell it to me! >> >> I don't understand how "respectable" and "innovative" can live in the same >> sentence. That is, I'm wondering which comes first here - the respectabllity >> or the innovation? I'm all for universities but they are NOT centres for >> poetic or artistic innovation. Surely, innovations in art and poetry have >> come about historically when students and academic staff have fused with the >> society beyond. These days, while government directives and the universities >> themselves claim a plurality of purpose and record student numbers, >> ironically, what I see are teaching practices narrowing sharply. >> >> So I applaud Liz for actually questioning the ground here - because it is >> not fixed, nor is the pole of the academic as steady as it appears here. >> >> Rupert >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> *From:* Peter Riley <[log in to unmask]> >> *To:* [log in to unmask] >> *Sent:* Monday, October 19, 2009 4:27 PM >> *Subject:* Re: Journal of British and Irish Innovative Poetry launch at >> Birkbeck (Weds 21st October 2009) >> >> I think what it's about is an insistence that the teaching and study of >> "Innovative Poetry" is now an established and respectable academic >> speciality in this country. >> PRi >> >> >> On 19 Oct 2009, at 16:03, Liz Kirby wrote: >> >> Anyone who isn't already on a payroll somewhere invited? Or is this really >> just the Journal of British And Irish Innovative Academics (Poetry)..... >> >> I suppose people who dont have the sanction of an academic institution and >> a steady income cant really be innovative? >> >> Just wondering. >> >> Liz >> >> 2009/10/19 Anthony Levings <[log in to unmask]> >> >>> A quick reminder that this Wednesday (21st October 2009) is the Birkbeck >>> launch for the Journal of British and Irish Innovative Poetry. Staring at >>> 7:30 pm. Room B29, Birkbeck Main Building, Malet St., London WC1E 7HX >>> http://www.bbk.ac.uk/readings/news/journallaunch >>> >>> Speakers: >>> >>> Caroline Bergvall, Poet and performer, Arts and Humanities Research >>> Council >>> Fellow in the Creative and Performing Arts at the University of >>> Southampton >>> >>> Andrea Brady, Poet, Lecturer, Department of English, Queen Mary College >>> >>> Robert Hampson, Poet, Professor, Department of English, Royal Holloway >>> >>> Scott Thurston and Robert Sheppard, Editors, Journal of Innovative British >>> and Irish Poetry >>> >>> Followed by discussion and drinks. >>> >>> All Welcome. >>> >>> >>> Anthony Levings, Managing Editor >>> Gylphi Limited, http://www.gylphi.co.uk >>> >>> >>> * Apologies for cross-posting * >>> >> >> >> >