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Yes Sean, I know what you are talking about and you are right - but that is NOW, I was being retrospective. The way this thing pans out in the future should be interesting. I would love to be wrong in my concerns.... we shall see. Cheers Tim On 23 Oct 2009, at 17:03, Sean Bonney wrote: > I dunno, Tim, things are pretty lively where I'm sitting. I wouldn't > say its exactly been 'saved' by academic interest, but one of the > reasons I've found myself in the unlikely position of defending > academia is because there's been an influx of people in their early > twenties (in London, Brighton, Manchester, to list the places I know > of) who are putting on readings, publishing little magazines etc., > with the effect that the scene is probably more active, vital and > interesting than it has been for years. All of this is taking place > outside the university - and quite deliberately so - but at the same > time, most of them came across avant/innovative/radical/whatever-you- > wanna-call-it poetry on university courses. > > http://abandonedbuildings.blogspot.com/ > > --- On Fri, 23/10/09, Tim Allen <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > > From: Tim Allen <[log in to unmask]> > Subject: Re: Journal of British and Irish Innovative Poetry launch > at Birkbeck (Weds 21st October 2009) > To: [log in to unmask] > Date: Friday, 23 October, 2009, 4:44 PM > > I don't really want to prolong this thread Sean - although I think > it is good that the subject in general has been aired, the focus on > the 'journal' itself and what it might or might not do has become > bogged down and gotten unnecessarily personal. My concern, like > Mark's I think, is with the wider issues that it is a part of. > > I don't think your comment below is true. From where I was sat it > looked as though the scene was dying until 'academic interest' > helped save it. This could be disputed, I know, especially because > of the strength of character and excellence of the work of a handful > of highly individual poets, all outside of academia, Harwood, > Raworth, O'Sullivan, Monk and Halsey etc, but I would still argue > that closer to the ground (or underground) the Brit avant scene had > become more and more isolated and alone. It wasn't just the entry > into the academy of course, there were other revitalising factors, > the internet for one. > > Tim A. > > On 23 Oct 2009, at 12:38, Sean Bonney wrote: > > > Academic interest reflects the liveliness of the scene in general. >