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I don't really want to prolong this thread Sean - although I think it is good that the subject in general has been aired, the focus on the 'journal' itself and what it might or might not do has become bogged down and gotten unnecessarily personal. My concern, like Mark's I think, is with the wider issues that it is a part of. I don't think your comment below is true. From where I was sat it looked as though the scene was dying until 'academic interest' helped save it. This could be disputed, I know, especially because of the strength of character and excellence of the work of a handful of highly individual poets, all outside of academia, Harwood, Raworth, O'Sullivan, Monk and Halsey etc, but I would still argue that closer to the ground (or underground) the Brit avant scene had become more and more isolated and alone. It wasn't just the entry into the academy of course, there were other revitalising factors, the internet for one. Tim A. On 23 Oct 2009, at 12:38, Sean Bonney wrote: > Academic interest reflects the liveliness of the scene in general.