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Watch out for jabber chatrooms. Last I looked, they were centrally logged. They may not be publicy readable/searchable, but I'm wary of their being a log of any private security data anywhere not under our control. -- Martin Bly RAL Tier1 Fabric Manager > -----Original Message----- > From: Testbed Support for GridPP member institutes > [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Douglas McNab > Sent: 28 August 2009 11:04 > To: [log in to unmask] > Subject: Re: Chat room for UK site admins? > > Hi > > I have made it publicly searchable and realised that I had > actually set it password protected. > This has been removed. Also Adium appears not be able to > reconfigure a room once its created. > So I have now gone for Psi. The room is now open to with Sam > and Derek in there already. > One using Jabber and one using googlemail. > > Cheers, > > Dug > > > 2009/8/28 Douglas McNab <[log in to unmask]> > > > Hey, > > I was just messing with jabber chatrooms and it seems > fairly easy to create a chat room with a jabber account. > In fact there should be one called > [log in to unmask] now. There is no password, > its persistent and it is not publicly searchable. You can > set other preferences from the menu and all you need is a > jabber account, google talk accounts seems to get a 401 > message. After some digging it looks like the sometimes work > but I suspect the API changes frequently. I am using Adium > (for jabber and google talk) but any jabber client i.e. > Pidgin should work and you should be able to flick between > google talk/jabber from the client. Feel free to join and > see if its of any use? > > Cheers, > > Dug > > > > > 2009/8/27 Derek Ross <[log in to unmask]> > > > As part of the discussion about Security - in > particular not having a private list to discuss security > issues with UK Site admins (TB-Support is public) it was > suggested to set up a chat room, after Jeremy left a few of > us hung around and discussed this in the evo chat window, > I've pasted the relevant part of the log below to get > opinions from others on the TB-Support list. > > Derek > > > [12:14:05] Winnie Lacesso - I would prefer EVO > meetings myself not IRC chat... > [12:14:12] Ewan Mac Mahon - I think it might be > useful, but IIRC when it's come up before various sites > firewall IRC pretty badly. > [12:14:33] Stephen Burke - irc used to be > banned at RAL, not sure about the current status > [12:14:35] Sam Skipsey - And, indeed, other > chat systems - jabber, Skype chat, etc. > [12:14:51] Ewan Mac Mahon - The external > logging concern goes for EVO as well. > [12:15:22] Rob Fay - it's not that hard to run > an irc server, and 24/7 live chat can be useful... if people use it > [12:15:47] Dug McNab - it needs to be something > the tier1 can use, so whatever is allowed there would be the way to go > [12:16:22] Peter Love - sign up for google-wave > [12:16:54] Rob Fay - google wave might be a > solution, but not yet > [12:17:45] Ewan Mac Mahon - I think if we;re > setting up something ourselves I'd go for jabber rather than IRC, > [12:18:55] Derek Ross - problems is that may > only fix the problem for one site - would other sites be > happy about using a service hosted at another univeristy to > discuss internal security issues? > [12:19:19] Ewan Mac Mahon - I think EVO is > supposed to be able to do jabber-y things like presence > notification etc. but I've never tried to use it like that. > [12:19:36] Rob Fay - Derek, if they're not, > nothing will work > [12:19:47] Duncan Rand - well maybe a 'not for > security issues' to start with > [12:19:56] Sam Skipsey - Why use EVO, though, > since Jabber already solves those problems? > [12:20:15] Christopher Walker - I'm not > familiar with jabber. How does it differ > [12:20:23] Christopher Walker - from IRC > [12:20:27] Rob Fay - argument for evo: everyone > already uses it, argument against evo: jabber can be run by > us with the advantages that entails > [12:20:38] Rob Fay - whereas evo can't AFAIK > [12:20:41] Derek Ross - evo is quite resource intensive > [12:20:46] Ewan Mac Mahon- Well, we do sort-of > all use EVO already as well, and it does have the possibility > of turning a chat into an audo conversation. > [12:21:09] Sam Skipsey - EVO is used by use > because people keep scheduling meetings on it, not because it > necessarily solves the problem we want to solve. > [12:21:14] Rob Fay - audio is overrated, at > least with text you can't hear the other people in graeme's > office typing > [12:21:19] Ewan Mac Mahon - Plus, AIUI it's > trickier to get jabber to do chat rooms, it's more one-to-one. > [12:21:43] Ewan Mac Mahon - I know it /can/ do > multi-user, I'm just not sure how to do it. > [12:21:45] Derek Ross - can be done its not > that hard - the Tier 1 has one > [12:21:51] Sam Skipsey - Jabber does do chat > rooms, it's not too hard. > [12:21:54] Derek Ross - we use conference.jabber.org > [12:22:02] Ewan Mac Mahon - I think it needs > setting up on the server though, doesn't it. > [12:22:08] Sam Skipsey - Yes. > [12:22:13] Derek Ross - Pidgin (a jaber client) > seems well set up to use them > [12:22:16] Christopher Walker - What we want - > or to be more precise, what I want is a way of saying - hmm > I've got this problem anyone have the same problem, or have anyideas. > [12:22:22] Ewan Mac Mahon - You can't just > /join #newchannel like you can on IRC. > [12:22:33] Rob Fay - > http://www.jabber.org/index.php/faq/#chatrooms > [12:22:43] Sam Skipsey - However, IRC is > horribly insecure, Ewan. > [12:23:00] Derek Ross - true its hard to split > off for small sub discussions with jabber unles they are 1-1 > [12:23:38] Ewan Mac Mahon - Sam: It's > unencrypted, but (unless you're using something like OTR) so > is jabber. How's IRC any worse? > [12:23:39] Sam Skipsey - And, according to > Rob's link, it is quite possible to do IRC style > "#newchannel" conference creation in RJabber. > > > > > -- > ScotGrid, Room 481, Kelvin Building, University of Glasgow > tel: +44(0)141 330 6439 > > > > > > -- > ScotGrid, Room 481, Kelvin Building, University of Glasgow > tel: +44(0)141 330 6439 > > -- Scanned by iCritical.