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David Richards points out that it appears in Rk's early collection of parodies, Echoes,. On 14 Sep 2009, at 15:45, Meredith Dixon wrote: On Mon, 2009-09-14 at 11:14 +0100, Alastair Wilson wrote: Dear Mary As regards your query, I agree that the Emerson parody (if you can call it that) is unlike Kipling - Well, if it isn't Kipling's, it was good enough to fool the editors of the Definitive Edition of Rudyard Kipling's Verse, in which volume you will find it on pages 183 and 184. Unfortunately the book does not list prior sources. -- Meredith Dixon <<[log in to unmask]> Check out Raven Days < For victims and survivors of bullying at school. And for those who want to help. Mary Hamer 25 Coriander Court 20 Gainsford St London SE1 2PG phone/fax 0207 378 0952 mobile 07967759013