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As a recruiter working across all the various 'domains' of information management work, including archives, records, information management, libraries and KM, it has been striking to see the amount of 'navel gazing' across all of the areas in the past couple of months on exactly this topic - does 'the information profession' have a voice in the 'outside world'? - who would the public/government/employers think of (if anyone) as our representative? - what is the definitive qualification to show someone is capable and credible in these roles? For example, last week at the LMLAG conference (a group for Librarians & Archivists working in Museums in case you were scratching your head!) the topic of the day, for around 250 delegates, was all about collaboration and convergence and the comment was made by more than one speaker that 'users can't tell the difference' between a curator, archivist or librarian. I'm sure the same applies in government or corporate organisations where users can't see the point of separating information governance/security, records management, management information systems, information management, content/web/intranet management or knowledge management! Apart from discussion on lists like this one, or at conferences, I think we need to get this issue onto the agendas of the various Committees, Exectutive bodies, CEO's, Presidents (or other organising groups or people!!), and push for them to start talking to each other about how to 'collaborate or converge' - so those who are members of AIIM, SoA, CILIP, RMS, ARMA, etc, etc could perhaps alert their respective managing people to this thread or others like it and ask them to take action? 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All Well, we've talked at length, we've argued and in some cases we have done our pitch. The question is have we really got anywhere? The answer, I think, is probably no. I suppose this reflects, at least in GB, the Educational, Local Authority and Central Government bias of the list, we all do good meetings. I expect we will have the same discussion in 2010. It's good to see the archivists getting some sort of act together with the memorandum of understanding between their various organisations. I like to think of myself as a modern Records Manager not an archivist. My main involvement with the archives is to pass them the stuff that the organisation no longer needs to keep, but retains some sort of historical value. This may be a bit of a "one eyed" view, but as a previous person said modern RM leans towards ICT and Corporate/Information Governance. I take my lead from them. I am not part of the archival function. This list is a records management list, I think the archive people have their own list, do they have the same type of discussions? Neither am I a library person (although I absolutely love libraries) do they have the same discussions? Is it just us doing the navel gazing? Chris Tinsley MSc Wiltshire Council Records, Information, Knowledge -----Original Message----- From: The UK Records Management mailing list [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Doug Miles Sent: 16 September 2009 10:30 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Sector representation - first steps? Just to clarify re AIIM: we have been established in Europe for 10 years, have 350 UK/European Professional Members, 12,000 Associate Members and 90 Trade Members, all involved in Information Management. We offer training programmes in ECM, Electronic Records Management, Business Process Management, Email Management, Enterprise 2.0 and Findability. We run members meetings, monthly webinars and our annual AIIM Roadshow. 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