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Charlie, Greetings from Eastern Standard time. I like your point about the work of art as ontological mirror: "In the gallery it presents a kind of ontological mirror reflecting back and stabilising our own sense of self in its apparent stability and autonomy... By contrast time-based art, interactive art, and all art involving some form of interaction over time tend to do the opposite. Perhaps this may be a partial explanation of the continued resistance to such work in mainstream institutions." But with regard to the idea of 'continued resistance', I think it's fair to say that time-based art is extremely successful in mainstream institutions. I'm not sure you're drawing the line in the right place; perhaps the real binary is not between object and non-object but between open and closed, or object and system. Michael On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 9:55 AM, Johannes Birringer<[log in to unmask]> wrote: > yes, "Niech zdechna artysci" indeed, in '85 at La Mama, very nice powdered make up on faces to make the actors look deadly ghostly. no smoking in theatres then. > > j.b. > >>>>> > > Kantor??? make-up like Kabuki??? Oh my god! What did you smoke to see > this? He is crying from his tomb: "Qu'ils crčvent, les artistes"!! > > j.s. >