Dear Alan,
Such a demonstrative gesture that articulates so sacredly the latter part of my brief input to the debate. Thank you.
The more I observe young children ‘observing’ their environments, experiencing the sensations, vibrations, tone, timbre, pitch, impressions, feel, and the ambiance of their living moments and then communicating to themselves their awareness’ or the understandings they have formed about these, their living moments, their shaping of their reality I am truly amazed. Sometimes and especially when the child I observe appears to be deliberating long over the experience of what they are engaging with, I long to have the capacity to understand that communication that they silently or vocally articulate to themselves. But my memory of that communication is lost to me the adult and I can only surmise. Often the ‘wisdom’ that is - the experience and knowledge together with my erudite judgement, fools me into supposing that I can interpret this child’s experience for them. And then I am left feeling bereft because I know I can only express my own understanding of what I observe. It is my interpretation of what I observe about the experience, it is not the knowledge that is laying the foundations of the wisdom of this child I see.
Food for thought has come to me from yourself, Ian and Yunus and I am deeply humbled. Thank you again.
Cheri
From: Alan Rayner (BU)
[mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Tuesday, 1 September 2009 04:47 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: artiificial moral agents (AMA)
Dear Cheri,
I do agree with you!
For reasons that may be evident in the attached.
Warmest
Alan
----- Original Message -----
From: [log in to unmask]">Cheri Yavu-Kama-Harathunian
Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2009 3:25 AM
Subject: Re: artiificial moral agents (AMA)
Dear Tom,
What an interesting query.
In my culture the teaching of my educators (from childhood to this present time where I am still learning our cultural practices and our Law/lore) well, they gave me the understanding that a just born child carries with them awareness’s that are actually high in the upper right hand corner. There is this ‘just born’ awareness of the world around them that we adults have become so familiar with yet our first brush with our existence is for many adults, but a dim memory. The ‘intuitive’ awareness’s of a just born child are far more finely tuned than we adults acknowledge. And possible answers to this query will more than likely depend upon the perspective one takes, does one respond from the physical, the scientific, the spiritual, the behavioural/cognitive?
A person is stimulated by external and internal awareness’s, by that which is seen and that which is not seen as long as they have life. Isn’t that an aspect of my development, my education? As we live we learn, we acquire greater awareness’s of what is, how we are placed in the space of ‘what is’. And this occurs by actually participating in life itself.
Just recently I was arrested in my knowledgeable ‘self’ by the face of a week old child. Shrewd, penetrating eyes – eyes that seemed to look all the way through me – the lenses of the new born’s mind photographing not just my outer shell – my body- but my very character, my intentions, the person that very often other adults will only catch glimpses of if they choose to actually ‘look’. Those new born child’s eyes told me that an amazing mind was at work experiencing imprints and impressions, seeking knowledge, laying down perceptions on this child’s schemata. One day this child’s mind would mature and I hoped that in some way our meeting would help both of us develop the wisdom that I believe we are all privileged to seek as long as we live. Can a robot do that?
Cheri Yavu-Kama-Harathunian
Coordinator
Nulloo Yumbah Learning Spirituality and Research Centre
CQUniversity
Bundaberg Queensland
Australia
Phone: 07 – 41507091
Email: [log in to unmask]
From: tom abeles [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Tuesday, 1 September 2009 10:51 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: artiificial moral agents (AMA)
Greetings
There is a new book out:
Wallach, Wendell, and Colin Allen, Moral Machines: Teaching Robots Right from Wrong, Oxford University Press, Oxford, 2009
If one creates a two dimensional graph high
AUTONOMY
|
|
|
low|
|
|
|-----------------------------------------------
low high
ETHICAL sENSITIVITY
One can plot the capabilities of today's bots on this graph. So the question which I ask is, whether or not one believes that robots can achieve "consciousness" however defined, can robots achieve "wisdom". Or how do you address teaching or giving these bots wisdom? We can start with Asimov's flawed "3 laws" and start to realize that for even simple robots in existence today, some decisions have moral consequences.
A more interesting question should be when does a just born child which exists in the lower left arrive at a place in the upper right hand corner, if ever and how do we know when such has been achieved.
tom
tom abeles
Windows Live: Make it easier for your friends to see what you’re up to on Facebook. Find out more.