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Hi - Birmingham is seeing a few of these messages: Adder._updateOutputs() XML is inconsistent with filesTable But I don't know what they mean or if I should be worried. I notice that other sites have this message too... Any clues as to what the problem is? Cheers, Chris On Tue, 4 Aug 2009, Graeme Stewart wrote: > We have done ~20 hammercloud tests of various flavours in the UK in > the last 6 months, plus all the STEP tests. We had one 6 hour problem > with the pilot code two weeks ago. It was a bug and it was fixed. In > general panda infrastructure availability is probably > 99%, so we > were even a little unlucky to catch this. Please, we are not > "debug[ing] ATLAS pilot job framework". > > In contrast, even better sites are having a hard time reaching 95% job > success rate, so from the site side we have a way to go yet. > > My feeling is that the tests are useful for the sites - they are > primarily for the sites to prepare themselves for data. They do not > require people to be on "full alert" or to work out of normal hours. > They are to make analysis support routine, actually. Sites will > eventually reach a stage where they fully understand their > infrastructure, then you probably do not learn so much from the tests > but continuing to participate should not be a problem - in fact it > keeps re-validating the site, which is reassuring. > > I haven't heard that people are finding the tests unhelpful or > distracting, but please say if you think so. > > Cheers > > Graeme > > On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 11:26, Coles, J (Jeremy)<[log in to unmask]> wrote: >> Hi John >> >> We'll review the situation at today's deployment team meeting. It is a >> pity that the Panda server has not coped well in keeping things stable >> for the testing period, but there are periods of stability. The obvious >> danger is that many of the enthusiastic sysadmins out there lose >> interest if the ATLAS submission problems dominate. >> >> Any of the sysadmins out there reading this can comment if they feel >> their time is being wasted and the approach needs to change. Suggestions >> are always welcomed. Let's also see how things go today/tomorrow. >> >> Regards, >> Jeremy >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Testbed Support for GridPP member institutes >> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Gordon, JC (John) >> Sent: 04 August 2009 10:07 >> To: [log in to unmask] >> Subject: Re: HammerCloud - today at 10am onwards. >> >> Just a thought. Always happy to be contradicted by those more engaged. >> From the last test, purely anecdotally, many of the issues raised on the >> list seemed to be due to the pilot factories etc. This seemed to be a >> waste of the alertness of the sysadmins. >> >> John >> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Testbed Support for GridPP member institutes [mailto:TB- >>> [log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Coles, J (Jeremy) >>> Sent: 04 August 2009 09:44 >>> To: [log in to unmask] >>> Subject: Re: HammerCloud - today at 10am onwards. >>> >>> Hi John >>> >>> Others will probably reply but my understanding was that the >>> HammerCloud >>> jobs are just part of the testing infrastructure. The actual testing >> is >>> of the sites and their bottlenecks not the pilot job framework. >>> Therefore I think it is good if as many sites as possible remain >>> involved - it is more about finding capacity/throughput limits than >>> testing if a site is satisfactory and the subtle changes in the job >> mix >>> may bring out new issues each time. >>> >>> Jeremy >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Testbed Support for GridPP member institutes >>> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Gordon, JC (John) >>> Sent: 04 August 2009 09:32 >>> To: [log in to unmask] >>> Subject: Re: HammerCloud - today at 10am onwards. >>> >>> Might it be an idea for sites which were satisfactory last time to >>> ignore it and then look back and see what happened? You're not going >> to >>> be on full alert at all hours during data taking and it shouldn't need >>> the whole UK to debug ATLAS pilot job framework. >>> >>> Just a thought, >>> >>> John >>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Testbed Support for GridPP member institutes [mailto:TB- >>>> [log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Sam Skipsey >>>> Sent: 04 August 2009 09:15 >>>> To: [log in to unmask] >>>> Subject: HammerCloud - today at 10am onwards. >>>> >>>> Hi all, >>>> >>>> Just to remind you that we have another HammerCloud at 10am. >>>> >>>> Business as usual. (Indeed, we can assume that these will be fairly >>>> regular for the next couple of weeks, I guess.) >>>> >>>> Sam >>> -- >>> Scanned by iCritical. >>> -- >>> Scanned by iCritical. >> -- >> Scanned by iCritical. >> -- >> Scanned by iCritical. >> > > > > -- West 326 Physics and Astronomy University of Birmingham Edgbaston Birmingham B15 2TT (Office) 0121 414 4700 (Mobile) 0798 666 1959