Before making any more comments I should first review the slides Michael sent, but my point was not that you do away with expertise ( of course we will always need it- otherwise we can close all schools!) My point was that the goals classic definition of EBM promote cannot be done in a coherent, rational and repriducible fashion (regardless if we are talking about expertise vs. experience) and in fact hurt EBM movement. I personally used to promote the "classic" definition (and still do as something that we normatively aspire to) until I realize that every single recommendation made within the classic EBM framework can be justified (regardless how irrational or inappropriate that may look to an outside observer). I too challenge you and anyone else to come up with a single case that practicing medicine according to the "classic" definition of EBM cannot be easily challenged. Best Ben Ben Djulbegovic,MD Professor of Medicine On Aug 9, 2009, at 8:17 AM, "Piersante Sestini" <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > Djulbegovic, Benjamin wrote: >> Michael, a couple of weeks ago or so, I commented that the >> "classic" definition of EBM ("the integration of best research >> evidence with clinical experience and patient values") is >> inadequate and should change > As far as I understand, the correct word is "expertise", not > "experience". They are two related but quite different matters: "being > an expert" is different from "having experienced". > You cannot rule expertise and judgment out of practice, as you cannot > even start to address a problem without them. > > regards, > Piersante Sestini >