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maybe a little offtopic, but I really need anotehr model buiding software that can run on windows system ( I already have coot) I am not a linux guy, I prefer running everything on my PC---I can run ccp4 and coot on PC without any problem. I found Alwyn Jones 's website, which has version 12 of the O software , but the win_ono.exe is a very small file. I am wondering is it only less than 3MB? I opened the file, it was not a typical windows interface software like win-coot. Am I missing something ? anyone used the windows version? your help is highly appreciated. Lei _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live: Make it easier for your friends to see what you’re up to on Facebook. http://windowslive.com/Campaign/SocialNetworking?ocid=PID23285::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:SI_SB_facebook:082009