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Ah, I see. Yea, fair enough... I get his drift, baby. Tim On 31 Aug 2009, at 11:49, Alison Croggon wrote: > Tim , it's the quote in the second par - xA > > From Alison's iPhone > > On 31/08/2009, at 8:09 PM, Tim Allen <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > >> Alison, you'll have to tell me what Spicer said. >> >> Tim >> >> On 31 Aug 2009, at 11:05, Alison Croggon wrote: >> >>> Hi Tim - I guess it depends what you mean by "influence". I was >>> assuming that influence referred to the writing of poetry - I'd >>> think >>> that poems matter a whole lot more in that activity than what is >>> said >>> about them. Although of course others may work differently. I tend >>> to >>> agree with Jack Spicer on the question of theory and practice: >>> >>> Muses do exist, but now I know that they are not afraid to dirty >>> their >>> hands with explication - that they are patient with truth and >>> commentary as long as it doesn't get into the poem, that they >>> whisper >>> (if you really let yourself hear them), "Talk all you want, baby, >>> but >>> _then_ let's go to bed." (from Admonitions) >>> >>> xA >>> >>> On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 7:56 PM, Tim Allen<[log in to unmask]> wrote: >>>> Not so sure about that Alison. I think that at times critical >>>> thought about >>>> poems is far more influential than the poems themselves. Time and >>>> time again >>>> it is not the poems themselves that cause aesthetic and ideological >>>> disagreements but what is said about them by critics, which sets >>>> up agendas. >>>> >>>> tim A. >>>> >>>> On 31 Aug 2009, at 01:13, Alison Croggon wrote: >>>> >>>>> But hey. I just wanted to say that critical thought about poetry >>>>> is of >>>>> course influential, but in the end it's not nearly as >>>>> influential as >>>>> poems. >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Editor, Masthead: http://www.masthead.net.au >>> Blog: http://theatrenotes.blogspot.com >>> Home page: http://www.alisoncroggon.com