My point exactly Matt. Having worked in universities,
I know access to students is problematic, I know information literacy or info
skills stuff (or whatever it gets called) is often delivered in difficult circumstances,
whether it be an inappropriate timing or location or facilities.
And I don’t think students are idiots, I wouldn’t
think any less of a student for being occupied by all the other stuff going on
in freshers’ week rather than library arrangements. I think Chris’s
(as an HE person) point is that it’s frustrating to suddenly discover
students having difficulties in their 2nd year, when you’ve
been wanting to help them from the beginning. Yes, the dissertation is often a
catalyst for independent learning – but of course that comes at the end
when it could all be too late. My point is that we’re all in it together,
particularly in the case of nursing (& other healthcare) students, when
they (potentially) have access to both university and NHS librarians.
My question is, what can we do to make it better,
and help make all students highly information literate, despite the education
system’s best efforts to avoid this? Okay, it’s not just our job,
but a little triumph in the face of adversity is always good.
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Sent: 09 July 2009 10:40
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Dear Colleagues,
At the risk of having the rest of my head
shot off (you know who you are :->) can I just respond on behalf of
colleagues who work in HE to the point viz. “s/he should have had
“info skills” training of some sort from the university”.
Yes that’s true but here are some of
the issues HE Librarians might be struggling with:
1) The problem of induction. Students get up to 20 sessions in the
first few weeks from Sports to Students Union and Library. The messages you can
get across in all this noise are limited. I used to say that the best you could
do is there is a Library, there is a Librarian,
2) Access to students is problematic. The curriculum is loaded from
the off. Contact time is limited. Librarians won’t be able to get access
to students easily if at all after induction. Lucky to meet them 2 or 3 times
in a three year degree in a planned session.
3) Students face many distractions in the first year. Most are
“typical” teenagers. Yes they are not all Information Angels or
Library Phobics. There is a lot of space in between i.e. typical.
4) Teaching styles at school are very prescriptive at the moment. Many
will arrive without having ever encountered what Universities call
“independent learning” or having made much (any) use of a library.
This is a big problem for universities which many will not change until years 2
or 3. Dissertation is usually the catalyst for this.
5) Teaching in the first year is very prescriptive despite what is
said in 4) above. It dosen’t necessarily require intensive Library use.
Students are great networkers and refer to each other rather than a Librarian.
6) Most HE resources are E. The Library is not a place but a website
for most. It’s complicated to get across authentication procedures,
access routines and the many (of the 100’s) of databases students have
access to.
So what do you do? Well you adopt the many
channels same message option, websites, leaflets posters, advocacy with
students and staff at meetings. The same things we all do.
What we might be wary off is the view that
“What are those HE Librarians doing – never heard of the
Library!” Could take an alternative view and say what can we do to help
out being giving mutually reinforcing messages. Make sure for example every
student is told the name and contact details of their HE Librarian? Do we have
access to University Library websites to understand how students from various
universities access resources?
Love not war.
Best Wishes
Matt
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fawning letter
It does remind me of the testimonials to
dubious herbal remedies/dodgy prize draws you sometimes see in Sunday
supplements, junk mail from Reader’s Digest etc, along the lines of
“I drank this mystery green gloop for a week and lost 15 stone.
Fantastic! – Mrs P, Much Wenlock” and “Yes, I really did win
3 billion pounds by sticking a fake car key on a postcard! – Mr R,
I also wonder what s/he was using before
the NHS Evidence revelation? Is it an issue of not knowing where to search, how
to search, or who to ask? As Chris says s/he should have had “info
skills” training of some sort from the university. It does raise
questions for ourselves and our services, I’m just wondering what those
questions are! In light of nursing moving to all-degree, the idea being that
nurses will have a more robust and rounded education and consequently have more
initiative, are there other things that need to be addressed (by inf profs as
much as teaching staff) about nursing education?
Or am I wondering too much about an
imaginary, or completely mad person?
Emily
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Dear all,
May be I have been on too many management
courses (Who sold you this then?) but the point surely is that it’s not
the customers fault if they can’t find our service? There is also the
traditional tactic of schooling grateful customers (of NHS Evidence in this
case) to send letters of praise. Perhaps we should just take it for what it is
and not give it the oxygen of publicity.
Best Wishes
Matt
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He/she could have
used a bit of initiative and asked the advice of her academic subject librarian
as well as the NHS librarian. Is he/she sure she is 2nd year? How
did she get there?
Chris
Chris Holly
Site Librarian
Library and
Information Services
Faculty of Health
& Social Care
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Education Centre
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CH2 1BR
Tel: 01244 512288
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>>> "Annis Shan (Ashton, Leigh and Wigan PCT)"
<[log in to unmask]> 08/07/2009 13:31 >>>
She was probably a man, John!
Shan x
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Subject: Eyes on Evidence fawning letter
Alternatively, EL (see below) could have shown a bit of flipping
initiative and done herself a favour by asking an NHS librarian for
assistance. It's what we're good at.
"Dear Eyes on Evidence,
As a second year nursing student I'd just like to say what a bonus I
think a service like NHS Evidence will be for my studies. I hadn't heard
about the site until I visited your stand at the NHS Innovation EXPO.
I'd just finished a project and one of your staff showed me how to
search for the information I'd used for my work via NHS Evidence.
Details I'd spent hours looking for were there straight away. I was
kicking myself because had I known about it a week earlier I could have
saved myself so much time. Now I know about it I will definitely be
using it to research future assignments - and saving some time!
EL, student"
John Addison
Library Manager
Education Centre Library
OL1 2JH
Tel: 0161 627 8463
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