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Hi, Thank you, I do have some buds I think are alder buds and have been using the bud ID guide from circaea. But none looks like these. I can rummage around the leaf litter beneath some alders near me and see if anything like this turns up. I've also got a marsh marigold seed and Stace has drawings of parts of that plant that resemble these. I'm planning a visit to some wetland environments so something may become clear there. ------------------ -----Original Message----- From: "BASTIAENS, JAN" <[log in to unmask]> Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 09:47:36 To: <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: identification problem Dear Lisa, Why do you think it is not a bud from Alnus glutinosa? To me the pictures look like buds from Alnus glutinosa (general morphology). And if I am not mistaken the ridged pattern appears when the bud scales are not present any more. Greetings, Jan Bastiaens Heritage researcher - Natural sciences Flemish Heritage Institute [log in to unmask] +32 2 553 18 32 -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: The archaeobotany mailing list [mailto:[log in to unmask]] Namens Lisa Gray Verzonden: dinsdag 14 juli 2009 23:12 Aan: [log in to unmask] Onderwerp: identification problem Dear Colleagues, I've found some plant macrofossils I've not seen before and would appreciate any opinions on thier identity. They are present in very low quantities from some samples of Neolithic peat from the foreshore/intertidal zone of the River Thames. These samples have produced diverse and well-preserved plant macrofossils dominated by Alnus catkins and seeds and seeds of aquatic and semi-aquatic plants. Wood and buds are also present. The first two images are of the item seeming most complete. I first picked this out thinking it was a bud. Something seems to be enclosed. I'm reluctant to peel it apart to find out what because its my only complete example. There is a distinct ridged 'wave-like' pattern on the surface of these fragments. Its likely that I'm seeing bits of a familiar plant I've not seen before in less well-preserved deposits. I can take more photos if these don't seem clear. I'm trying out new equipment so I can only improve on these efforts. I look forward to any ideas because I've looked through manuals and reference material and I'm completely baffled. best wishes, Lisa -- Lisa Gray MSc BA hons AIFA Freelance Archaeobotanist Part-time student MA Maritime Archaeology www.lisagray.co.uk