It looks like it fit the GLM through the data, but simply didn't find anything significant. I would suggest checking the mask.img to see what was included in the analysis, and the t statistic, contrast and ResSS images to look for clues about why nothing seemed significant. Best regards, -John On Thu, 2009-06-25 at 16:55 +0100, Benetti, Stefania wrote: > Dear SPMers and John > > Further the previous posts about using DARTEL for longitudinal VBM, > we > decided to follow the HDW approach that Kipps used. Briefly: > > 1. co-registration and HDW of late (FU) to early images (BA) for each > subject. > 2. save Jacobian determinats (JY) > 3. Segmentation of BA images > 4. BA used to create a DARTEL template > 5. BA images and JY warped with template ( modulation=yes) > 6. wmBA multiplied by wmJY-> product images ( this using ImCalc) > 7. normalisation to MNI > 8. smoothing > > So far everything run smoothly. > However, after having specified the design, I could not estimate the > model. SPM returned this error message" check your data. There are no > significant voxels." A plot of the globals shows values below 0.4 > I tried to lower the masking threshold and to set it to 'none' but > SPM > could not estimate the model either. > > The same happened earlier when just using FU-BA difference images > obtained from DARTEL pre-processing, though I was able to estimate > the > model after setting the masking threshold to 'none' > It seems to happen every time I use ImCalc on images normalised to > DARTEL template. > Has anyone encountered this before? > > Many thanks > Stefania > > ********** > Stefania Benetti MSc > PhD student > Section of Neuroimaging, Box P067 > Institute of Psychiatry - King's College London > > > > The suggestion I made was about how to use DARTEL to do the intra- > subject > alignment, so I was basically just answering the question. I have no > empirical evidence either way, but (for the reasons I mentioned) I > suspect > that HDW may do a marginally better job with most serial scans. > > Best regards, > -John > > On Friday 22 May 2009 11:15, Benetti, Stefania wrote: > Thank you John for your answers and suggestions. However, I am not > sure to > understand what you are suggesting about HDW approach that Kipps > used. > > "In general, I think I would still suggest the HDW approach that > Kipps and > others have used...For inter-subject alignment, the residuals are > rarely > i.i.d. Gaussian, which is why I chose to align tissue class data > instead.... However, the segmentation errors may be relatively large > compared with the volumetric differences between the serial scans, > which > would make the DARTEL approach less accurate" > > My understanding was that the procedure you suggested to Reinders > (https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/wa.exe?A2=ind0804&L=SPM&P=R48484) > consisted in an adaptation of Kipps' approach for DARTEL, in which > the > within subject alignment approach replaced the HDW. Am I completely > wrong? > Did you mean that this longitudinal DARTEL procedure may be less > accurate > than the procedure that Kipps actually used? > > Many thanks again > Stefania > > > > > ----------------------------- > > Stefania Benetti BSc MSc > Research assistant > Institute of Psychiatry > Neuroimaging Section, Box P067 > De Crespigny Park SE5 8AF > London > > tel: +44 (0)20 7848 0284 > fax: +44 (0)20 7848 0976 > ----------------------------- > > > -- John Ashburner <[log in to unmask]>