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Thanks, Julian. It wasn't just the scriptural source I meant. It seems to mean something particular. Witty above her sex was Mistress Hall Wise to salvation - but that's not all. Something of Shakespeare was in that, but this Wholly of him with whom she's now in bliss. I've also seen it in Latin in something (I've forgotten what , and won't be in a position to track it till I get home in a week)quoted by Richard Dutton in the Volpone book. So how does someone exhibit the characteristic of being 'wise unto salvation', rather than just suffer it as an exhortation? Penny. -----Original Message----- From: Sidney-Spenser Discussion List on behalf of J.B. Lethbridge Sent: Mon 22/06/2009 12:03 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: salvation for those during "Popish" times And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. -- 2 Tim. 3:15 -- is that what you were asking? Julian Penny McCarthy wrote: > May I hitch a ride on this discussion by asking if anyone knows the 'innerness' of the phrase 'wise to salvation' as in the little epitaph for Susanna Shakespeare? Penny McCarthy. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Sidney-Spenser Discussion List on behalf of James Broaddus > Sent: Sun 21/06/2009 21:36 > To: [log in to unmask] > Subject: salvation for those during "Popish" times > > Were there discussions other than Hooker's regarding salvation for those > who, adhering to the doctrines espoused by the "bishops of Rome," lived and > died prior to the Reformation? > > I have been lead to believe that Hooker was more liberal about the matter > than most; > > My thanks in advance, > > Jim Broaddus > > emeritus, Ind. State Univ. > 2487 KY 3245 > Brodhead, KY 40409 -- J.B. Lethbridge English Seminar Tuebingen University Tuebingen Germany