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The negativity I associate with the word craft is connected to what I said in an earlier post about the way the word was bandied about back in the 80's - a huge part of the 'poetry workshop' mentality, something which put artificial limits on what a poem could and couldn't do etc. As for 'learning/using both', well, if someone has in their head an notion of what they are, even provisionally, fair enough. Tim A. On 23 Jun 2009, at 15:48, Douglas Barbour wrote: > Hmmnn, but it seems we do, care that is. > > I tend to join you in thinking that each of us chooses how 'we' hear > each term & judge it. I'm not sure 'craft' is negative, though; it > certainly is not, to me. Nut, then, neither is 'technique'. Since I > would want to argue, in any art, that one needs to learn/use both. > > Doug > On 23-Jun-09, at 5:39 AM, Tim Allen wrote: > >> Come on, we're poets, we should know how undependable words can be. >> I really don't care, especially about the word 'craft' - its >> connotations are nearly always negative because of the ideological >> way the concept gets used. > > Douglas Barbour > [log in to unmask] > > http://www.ualberta.ca/~dbarbour/ > > Latest books: > Continuations (with Sheila E Murphy) > http://www.uap.ualberta.ca/UAP.asp?LID=41&bookID=664 > Wednesdays' > http://abovegroundpress.blogspot.com/2008/03/new-from-aboveground-press_10.html > > The abandoned world offers its wild particulars, > leaves in the air, a single leaf on water. > ............ > The rain falls like rain. > > David Helwig